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Politics Anonymous 2015-05-24 23:19:35 ID: d3d5ba No.9453 [View All]

Are any of you interested in politics at all?

Do your compass http://www.politicalcompass.org/

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Anonymous 2015-11-13 22:08:28 ID: b732d3 No.17879

>>13756
Interesting.

How can we turn that against them?

Anonymous 2015-11-14 00:20:41 ID: 2c944d No.17884

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>all these left-leaning people

Anonymous 2015-11-14 00:45:55 ID: aae697 No.17885

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It seems I stick out a bit here.

Anonymous 2015-11-14 08:13:51 ID: 4ce6c9 No.17897

>>17884
>>17885
All these edges

Anonymous 2015-11-14 08:18:15 ID: 4ce6c9 No.17901

>>17879
By bringing attention to it

Anonymous 2015-11-14 09:33:00 ID: 78dc68 No.17903

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Taking this test mildly inebriated so probably more honest than most of you 8)

Jesus Christ I'm so close to the centre it almost makes me sick

Anonymous 2015-11-16 02:57:00 ID: 4ce6c9 No.18056

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>>17903
I find your lack of edge disturbing.

Anonymous 2015-11-16 15:38:42 ID: a2f1e2 No.18067

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Anonymous 2015-11-20 16:10:11 ID: 806f0a No.18188

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hmm...

Anonymous 2015-11-20 17:53:37 ID: 8670f9 No.18199

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since this is an imageboard with a strong stance on individual freedom, it's pretty normal to have these many results like mine here.

Anonymous 2015-11-20 18:07:29 ID: b1db7a No.18201

>>18199
I have never seen any collection of these graphs show anything but majority greensquares. One could argue that internet users are generally more pro-liberty but I think it's more likely the test is soykaf .

Anonymous 2015-11-20 18:13:10 ID: 8670f9 No.18203

>>18201
it would be really interesting to see test results for this by old people from texas or something. internet users being pro-liberty could be true but i don't think sites like facebook would have the same results.

Anonymous 2015-11-20 19:19:20 ID: 6bf6bd No.18205

"A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system."

This question annoys me. It IS an advantage of a one party system, but not necessarily a good thing. So I agree that it's an advantage, but I disagree that it's an inherently good thing.

Anonymous 2015-11-21 10:20:13 ID: dae577 No.18225

>>18205
Man, it's almost like this test is biased garbage, and people need to stop using it.

But that can't be possible, even though people have been saying so for years.

Anonymous 2015-11-21 18:38:14 ID: 5d9268 No.18233

>>17897
What exactly makes it edgy? Im from germany and leftists are literally ruining this country, especially over the last few months. Im not against left ideology as a whole though and actually I would consider myself more in the middle, which is why my result came a bit as a suprise.

Anonymous 2015-11-23 04:30:26 ID: 6e6b14 No.18300

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Anonymous 2015-11-23 04:34:47 ID: 6e6b14 No.18302

>>18233
To some people, anything authoritarian and right wing (reactionaries in general) as complete bigots. I mean, it doesn't help that you can't see the answers they put down, but they could've had plenty of reasons for answering them. I think it's lame to say that they are just being edge lords.

Anonymous 2015-11-23 09:50:26 ID: 0fdfc1 No.18307

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It makes me really happy to see a lot of other left libertarians on this board but I feel like I see a lot of reactionary views here sometimes. That thread about refugees on /cyb/ made me kinda disappointed.
Whatever. Maybe I'm just a crazy SJW. Shit, I even identify as a feminist (I see the concept of privilege as a large critique of the capitalist system). But am I alone on this? How can there be so many so called anarchists on this board but still a lot of reactionary discussions?

Anonymous 2015-11-23 10:00:12 ID: fea5c7 No.18308

>>18307
I'm an authoritarian.

>(I see the concept of privilege as a large critique of the capitalist system)
This sounds neurotic.

Anonymous 2015-11-23 12:43:57 ID: ead493 No.18311

>>18307
Although Lainchan is dominantly leftist, it is not 100% as such. What happened in Paris was a major shock to all of western civilisation and it is the current event about what people want to talk about.

p.s. leftie here.

Anonymous 2015-11-23 19:08:39 ID: 8670f9 No.18318

>>18307
>Shit, I even identify as a feminist
you most likely are crazy SJW if you believe in the feminist definition that is used by feminists. i am a left libertarian and i identify as an egalitarian.

Anonymous 2015-11-23 21:54:44 ID: 5e3fb8 No.18325

>>18307
unfortunately common among left libertarians is the "egalitarian" sentiment you see here - >>18318
what it means is they'll agree with you so long as you don't use certain key phrases (feminism, oppression, systematic racism, privilege) but fight you as soon as your words offend them and look the other way when actual racists join the conversation

Anonymous 2015-11-24 00:04:57 ID: 0fdfc1 No.18334

>>18325
I think that's true. I see a lot of that sentiment around these kinds of boards and some circles have come to use the term "manarchist" or "brocialist". Either way I think a lot of the dissent stems from seeing shitty memes of troll accounts on tumblr and equating that with the movement.

Anonymous 2015-11-25 07:05:37 ID: 4ce6c9 No.18384

>"I'm X but i identify as Y"

jesus, this pol crap is getting out of hand.

Anonymous 2015-11-25 07:44:55 ID: d0725f No.18387

>>18307
The population of Lainchan comes from other chans. Most chans are filled with reactionaries. Hence, some Lainchan users are also reactionary. Many of us are anarchists, but we are clearly not the only ones here.

Anonymous 2015-11-25 08:03:21 ID: fea5c7 No.18388

>>18334
>Either way I think a lot of the dissent stems from seeing shitty memes of troll accounts on tumblr and equating that with the movement.
Yeah. I'm sure all feminists are actually completely normal and beautiful womyn and all of the stuff we see afk and on tumblr is just the patriarchy false flagging everyone.

Give me a break.

Anonymous 2015-11-26 03:48:33 ID: 0acc85 No.18405

>>18388
Not all trolls are false flaggers, a troll can have preference for any ideaological system.

Anonymous 2015-11-26 08:01:39 ID: 36c1d6 No.18406

I think identifying with a certain group or movement is terrible. It's better to look at things case by case than say "I'm a X!". This isn't always true, but the majority of people who say they are part of a certain group slowly start to become like an embodiment of said group. They still have original thoughts on matters, but chose to ignore them in favor of whats popular among the group.

doesn't even have to be parties. Many first time /pol/ users just share sentiments maybe about a few things, but slowly just become /pol/ and spout utter garbage and can't defend their beliefs because they aren't their beliefs in the first place. I would say this is true for all extremists, but really it's people who care too much about politics and see it as the end all be all rather than a means to an end. Someone can have extreme views but realize the world doesn't revolve around said views.

Anonymous 2015-11-26 17:05:09 ID: b1c0be No.18414

>>18307
If you're not a feminist you're not an anarchist. I don't see how this is hard to understand at all. Anarchism is the general movement against all aspects of hierarchical society, so just like we have to abolish class and destroy capitalism, we also have to abolish gender and destroy patriarchy, abolish race and destroy white supremacy, etc..

If you don't get this you're not an anarchist. Simple as that.

Anonymous 2015-11-27 11:27:14 ID: 683dce No.18440

>>18406
I've been thinking about this more recently. The obsession over group identity seems to have a lot of negative and sometimes just strange consequences. The big 2 that are bugging me at the moment...

1.
Infighting and purges over ideological purity. The craziest example to me is the GOP's obsession with purity pledges, but it can be anything. Everybody wants to be the most X. The most conservative. The most fit. The most frugal.

Maybe some of this is just competitive drive that's been amped up with modern social networks. Instead of comparing themselves to only their friends or people in their city, everybody compares themselves to everybody else on the planet.

2.
Rampant marketing of products to various group identities. Maybe this was actually where it all started, as "lifestyle" marketing has been around for a while. Capitalism is very efficient at taking a certain aesthetic of a movement and packaging it into a lifestyle that you can buy off the shelf.

The funniest/saddest thing I've seen recently was a box of San Pellegrino that said "ARE YOU A FOODIE?" on the side. Apparently the price of admission to foodie-land is just a bottle of fizzy water.

Anyways, rant mode off for now...

Anonymous 2015-11-28 07:39:17 ID: b09ddd No.18497

>>18440
I've always seen group identities as a kind of laziness - like forming/expressing/defending your own opinions for approval is too difficult compared to taking some prepackaged opinions and using those for approval
after someone is familiar with that particular reward system they decide its easier to spread that system to other environments than develop new reactions to those environments. so for example >>18388 is trying to drive out elements of what they percieve as a competing reward system because it would make their existence more difficult

another thought I had was that there's an interaction between language and custom that's going on. like the "language" we've learned or "manners" begs a specific kind of reaction to certain occurences, kind of like saying bless you after somebody sneezes.

Anonymous 2015-11-28 08:03:22 ID: 8b95d6 No.18501

>>18414
>If you're not a feminist you're not an anarchist

Proudhon was certainly not a feminist

Anonymous 2015-11-28 10:06:37 ID: 493b53 No.18504

>>18501
Emma Goldman most certainly was

Anonymous 2015-11-28 13:07:30 ID: 8b95d6 No.18509

>>18504

Proudhon literally said that women were either housewives or harlots and called emancipating them stupid

You can't just say "feminism is anarchism" because anarchism is opposed to "hierarchy" because some anarchists might have felt that women were naturally inferior to men and that nature would keep them in a place subservience to men with or without a state telling them to serve men. Anarchists generally didn't oppose hierarchies they saw as the product of nature or natural law. So there's no contradiction in principle to seeing women as naturally or spiritually inferior to men and being an anarchist opposed to any and all form of state power and authority, especially if you hold the belief that without state power, women without the state the artificially uplift them will mostly just move more into a position of servitude to individual men.

simply put, it's more nuanced than you think.

Anonymous 2015-11-29 06:59:50 ID: 21332e No.18556

>>18497
Not sure if it's what you were getting that, but language is a strong component of identity politics
The rhetoric relies heavily on buzzwords - again, it delivers a prepackaged opinion instead of presenting a fleshed out argument

The result has been a gongshow of new terminology

Personally, I've taken this test (long ago) and don't remember what I got
I don't identify with any ideology or party because I don't like being bound to a code of thought when my own opinions change over time or concerning certain issues
I can look at any party platform and find both things I agree with and things I don't

Anonymous 2015-12-02 20:21:46 ID: 92e6c4 No.18730

>>18509

> Anarchists generally didn't oppose hierarchies they saw as the product of nature or natural law

Genuinely curious here, why do some anarchists oppose private and corporate property then? Wouldn't they say those hierarchies are natural as the most ambitious, cunning, or strong are usually the most successful actors in the market. Isn't ensuring the success of your offspring also part of natural hierarchies?

I know that I justify market based societies as I see them as entirely natural.

>>18414
You're with us or you're with the terrorists amright. fuarrrk off.

I think I identify most as a neoliberal/liberal in the classic sense. U kno small govt, personal freedom, fuarrrk taxes right.

Anonymous 2015-12-02 20:35:09 ID: d0725f No.18732

>>18730
>I know that I justify market based societies as I see them as entirely natural.
No, because that's an absolutely ridiculous claim to make. It implies there's such a thing as human nature, and you'd hard-pressed to find an anarchist who thinks there's such a thing.

Anonymous 2015-12-02 20:40:08 ID: 92e6c4 No.18733

>>18732

I was referring to this.
>Anarchists generally didn't oppose hierarchies they saw as the product of nature or natural law.

You don't believe that hierarchies are a product of nature?

Anonymous 2015-12-02 20:52:29 ID: d0725f No.18735

>>18733
>You don't believe that hierarchies are a product of nature?
No. I also don't really agree with the original statement, and I'm an anarchist.

Anonymous 2015-12-02 21:12:10 ID: eef4d4 No.18737

>>18730
I'm curious why do you think market based societies are more natural than anarchist ones. Other than being dominant at the moment, of course.

Anonymous 2015-12-03 00:34:09 ID: 723e45 No.18745

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- Pro-Freedom of Speech
- fuarrrk political correctness, you have the freedom to say whatever you want and I have the freedom to point out why you're wrong or that you're full of soykaf . No one has a right to not be offended. If you want a safe space go home.
- Pro Gun-Rights
- Free Market with some socialism, no government backed monopolies
- Strict on environmental protection
- Limited consumerism
- Anti-survellience, pro freedom
- Pro people growing their own food, forming autonomous, self-reliant communities
- Non-aggression principle. People can form communities with similar individuals if they want. Christans can form their own communities with their own rules, hackers, punks, druggies and so on can form their own with their own rules, rednecks can form their own community, anti-gun pro-nanny state people can form their. People agree to disagree and leave each other alone. Each city or state can be it's own thing.
- Athiest
- Pro-Abortion
- Religion doesn't define morality
- Pro-Drug
- Pro Universal Healthcare
- Limited welfare outside of healthcare and education (Gov helps people when they're disabled or lose their job but if people can't find work after a few months they're on their own. I don't believe people are entitled to the fruits of others' labor if they're capable but unwilling to work for themselves.)
- Live and let live
- I'm basically a left libertarian

Anonymous 2015-12-03 01:00:10 ID: 723e45 No.18746

>>18745
Basically pro freedom.

We're never going to create a utopia. Christans, Muslims, Cyberpunks, Scientists, Atheists, Socialists, Capitalists, Environmentalists, SJWs, etc. are never going to get along. Forcing people with vastly different cultures and beliefs to live together doesn't work. Rarely is there compromise, one side usually dominates and when there is there are still a lot of unhappy people. Let people form their own communities and do what works best for them and don't be a dick if the community next door doesn't want to live or think the same way you do. I just think we need to come to an agreement about things like the environment. We all live here and environmental damage effects us all. But if you want to make your women wear burqas or worship the sky god or live in as a wage-slave or live in a society where drugs aren't allowed that's fine, just don't force it on me and if someone doesn't want to live in your society anymore allow them to leave and go somewhere that suits them better.

Anonymous 2015-12-03 01:06:53 ID: 723e45 No.18747

>>18746
And if one community doesn't want people from certain other communities to immigrate to theirs that's fine. Sometimes it only leads to problems and makes things worse for everyone already there. There will still be plenty of other communities that will accept you. Your anarchy-socalist state probably doesn't want mega-corps and capatilism and someone else's Muslim state probably doesn't want Christans or Jews both for obvious reasons.

Anonymous 2015-12-03 01:26:36 ID: 8b95d6 No.18748

>>18737

Probably because human beings have been bartering and trading stuff for as long as they've been around.

Anonymous 2015-12-03 01:42:13 ID: 8b95d6 No.18750

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>>9500
>>9519
>>9679
>>18300

I think I was just one or two questions away from perfect center

Anonymous 2015-12-05 00:12:50 ID: 3a334c No.18876

>>18748

Yeah besides that, I saw something a while ago about chimps bartering food for sex (I'll try to find the source).

Anonymous 2015-12-05 02:07:53 ID: bc4370 No.18882

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rip britbongs
holy shit

Anonymous 2015-12-05 04:17:52 ID: 565390 No.18883

>>16320
What's wrong with Friedman?

Anonymous 2015-12-05 07:36:01 ID: 5b0a6d No.18886

>>18307
Literally cancer.
>>18414
This is precisely why anarchism is soykaf . Males and females are BY NATURE fundamentally different and thus they occupy different social spheres that coincide with nature.
Feminism and leftism and general are denying basic biology and human nature.

Anonymous 2015-12-05 08:28:40 ID: 1c67bc No.18890

>>18556
language is a strong component of all politics, and politics are a strong component of language. You can't escape either. I agree about the prepackaged buzzwords but I feel like it's something said, to use some prepackaged buzzwords, about "both sides" - meaning that if we abstract away enough we can handwave the entire conversation without respecting people's voices or getting a better understanding of anything

ultimately, it's all talk and no action. it comes down to choosing sides (not choosing sides is a side) and then arguing why your respective politics are better than everyone else's. I'm not saying this is every single political interaction on the internet and there have definitely been real social movements organized online that are making waves lately, but it's still something really common.