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>>18543
are they having surveillance outside US?

And how does the surveillance program work?

If it listens to words relating to terrorism, we should all create spam boots and troll the fuarrrk out of NSA

>>18545
rtfa

The program is being ended and replaced with a program that monitors more specific groups, I.E. terrorists, most likely because the previous system didn't work well.

Makes me feel nothing.

I'm sure they're still mass collecting data, it's useful. So whether they stop program X and start program Y or change the criteria they use for program X but still allow exceptions a-z, it doesn't really matter.

Any modern intelligence agency will scoop up everything they can regardless of legalese. Maybe that's pessimistic.

>>18543
This does not solve the problem. Considering how the NSA originally started data collection illegally, they could still be doing it or they could resume it at any time.

We need to build and promote systems that make it technologically impossible for the NSA, or any other entity, to engage in bulk surveillance.

>>18547
>Any modern intelligence agency will scoop up everything they can regardless of legalese. Maybe that's pessimistic.
It may be pessimistic but it is what will and what is happening.

>>18548
Do such systems exist already?

>>18550
In part, yes. However, people generally choose not to use them or do not know about them.

For example, instead of using the telephone system, people could use free, open source, encrypted VOIP and IM systems.
Instead of using Facebook people could use RetroShare.
People could use operating systems that do not violate their privacy.
The list goes on, etc.

The issue is that people, for the most part, no not care that they are giving power to organizations that actively abuse it.

>>18554
Additionally, this serves as a good example of human psychology. People will not try to prevent negative things from occurring until they are fully aware that something similar has already affected them personally. Typically, there will be no proactive measures to stop tragedy.

>As required by law, the NSA will end its wide-ranging surveillance program

Seems fuarrrking legit. Wasn't it supposed to be illegal in the first place? You know, under the 4th amendment?

They're not stopping soykaf . Do you have any idea how many billions, if not trillions, of dollars would be wasted?

I will register a Google Account at once, because now the last thing that made them untrustworthy is gone! :^ )

>>18554
Unlike us, the average person doesn't have an education relating to IT CS or crypto, and it is neither their hobby; thus they don't spend hours of their free time every day to read about these things. As a consequence, they don't understand the jargon either, and would not like to spend months getting into all these topics. This also means that their only source of information is dumbed down journalism that was written with them in mind. However, journalism says it's all okay. A few posts by a few weirdos is no reason to suddenly abandon most services you use. People make similar posts about the dangers of vaccines, alien mind-waves, eating red meats, having too many electric appliances in your house, dangerous plastic toys, smoking, alcohol, drugs, cancer, stressful work, etc. In every case, the problem they introduce is always followed by a solution, which is mostly a product sold by a company, or a method that a company educates you in. Compare these to the average post warning you about the dangers to your privacy: NSA, surveillance, evil governments... our solution: tox, retroshare, linux! It is just another advertisement.

Suppose the average person still switches to a supposedly freedom respecting operating system (according the geek gossip at least), which violates their free time and patience by either being broken and buggy (year of the linux desktop) or unintuitive (ever seen a 4 year old kid use a tablet/smartphone? ever seen a 4 year old kid use CLI?). The way linux distros advertise themselves, most of them may seem like some scam. Especially those ubuntu based ones.

People here on lainchan (just like the average person) usually feel that their field of expertise is much more significant than it really is. It's not, it's just another. The average person however feels that biology, physics, psychology, economic, politics, history, sociology, self-defense, sports, arts, preserving cultural heritage, educating kids, saving animals, reducing pollution, etc etc etc are just as significant. I bet none of you here spend as much time practicing these above fields just as much as you do with cyb/cs/crypto/lambda. Does that also mean that
>lainons generally choose not to use them or do not know about them.
and that you are giving power to organizations, supporting the spread of cancer, the destruction of the environment, and prefer to be generally ignorant and just stick to your pet topics?

I'm pretty sure that the average person is not the ignorant sheep you're imagining them to be, they are simply not techies, and spend their free time and energy on other, equally significant matters.

>National Security Agency will end its daily vacuuming of millions of Americans' phone records
Who the hell uses the phone system anymore? Even if they were really stopping with the phone metadata (which I doubt) they're just throwing us a bone to shut us up about the real issue of internet surveillance.

>>18563
>Unlike us, the average person doesn't have an education relating to IT CS or crypto, and it is neither their hobby; thus they don't spend hours of their free time every day to read about these things.
This is why it is essential that we make secure systems more accessible, usable, and common.

>Does that also mean that
>>lainons generally choose not to use them or do not know about them.
>and that you are giving power to organizations, supporting the spread of cancer, the destruction of the environment, and prefer to be generally ignorant and just stick to your pet topics?
Yes, it does. You are simply making a trade off.

>I'm pretty sure that the average person is not the ignorant sheep you're imagining them to be, they are simply not techies
Which means they are ignorant when it comes to technical topics.

>>18565
>Who the hell uses the phone system anymore?
A massive number of people. Keep in mind that this includes cellular telephones and SMS.

This just puts me even more on edge. It's like seeing
>Federal courts decides to stop convicting innocent people!

nice bait op

this is clear some high tier clickbait bs as stated by:
>>18546
>>18549
>>18547
>>18548
>>18557
>>18579
>>18582
heh


Yes. GCHQ just recently legalized a bunch of stuff they were doing illegally... the government supervision of secret services doesnt work at all.

>>18550
everyone who doesnt recognized the link, read this again
https://www.privacytools.io/

>>18555
True!

forgot this
https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard

>>18617
>NSA datacollection bill ends
>hurr durr clickbate

no one said stop using privacy tools or even that they will stop. All the article said was the bill allowing them to collect metadata of everything is no longer legal unless they renew it.

>>18621
The article, yes. The nature if clickbait is that there is a different, fuarrrking riddiculous message in the title:
>NSA ends mass data collection!

>guys

It says they're only stopping bulk vacuuming and beginning more focused surveillance. What would that entail and what specifically would they focus on?

Does anyone actually believe them considering they've lied countless times, break the law, have been proven to blackmail politicians, and what they've been doing this whole time has been unconstitutional?

Also so what if they scale this back, they're still collecting everything else.

And even if they're actually replacing it with a more scaled back, targeted system we're all still going to be targeted. We use Linux, we care about our privacy, we use encryption. Remember the LinuxJournal incident a couple years ago? All of us are potential terrorists in their eyes. Some people here are anarchists, some socialists, some people have attended protests or have political beliefs that go against the status quo. I bet you use encryption, are you a pedophile? If you're not a criminal then what are you trying to hide? Just trying to enjoy your constitutional rights to privacy and freedom of speech that many people fought and died for? You want to live in the land of the free rather than 1984? You don't use Facebook? You don't want the the government and corporations to know every detail of your life? That's pretty suspicious, you could be a member of ISIS so we're going to have to monitor everything you do. It's for your protection, don't worry about it.

TL;DR This gets privacy advocates to quiet down a little bit and make people think they have some level of privacy or that the government represents them and is looking out for their right to privacy. It's business as usual at the NSA. If you believe in the constitution and freedom you're a terrorist.

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>>18765
Don't worry, we're only spying on the terrorists like this anon right here.