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ID: f46387 No.17917

The events in paris last night are pretty similar to the events of the second season of Stand alone complex.

Stand alone attacks. A mass of refugees. Almost undoubtedly going to cause backlash and strengthen hawkish parties. Might even cause France to be more willing to work with its NATO allies.

Also the governments attempted press blackout pretty much failed because of the internet.

There were #hashtags trending to discuss places to get shelter, what was going on and where.

What are your guys thoughts?
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ID: 711128 No.17918

all these surveillance aint doing shit, thats what i think.
every "leader" declared sympathy and assistance for the attacks which translated means they will go to war in syria, maybe against russia...show the population its us vs. them yada yada.

because it was ISIS, duh. thats what THEY want you to believe, anyway.

isis is actually an cia operation, which is also creating these mind-controlled agents who killed/blew up themself. its a direct continuation of al qaeda and al nusra.


WHAT can we do? love everyone, stay positive and question authority.

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ID: 132cff No.17919

>>17918
i loved your comment.

this is a monthly reminder that we're living in a world at war.
>AL QAEDA is the CIA.
look it up.

also, http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/27/middleeast/syria-france-isis-bombing/
>cnn

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ID: 7bac4a No.17923

>>17918
> which is also creating these mind-controlled agents who killed/blew up themself.

yeah sure buddy.
Too bad that mind control isn't real. As a neurobiologist is always infuriating reading 'mind control' since it cannot really exist, at least the pop culture interpretation. And especially since it's pretty easy to make people do the most retarded stuff by convincing them that is the right thing to do.

Same thing for 'ISIS is CIA'. It's the most absurd plot people can imagine. Especially when there is a much easier explanation:
-ISIS is actually a bunch of extremist muslims
-CIA, along with others, is actually financing them to further their own interest, while failing to actually stopping terrorist attacks
-since flames feed other flames, the chain of retaliation ensures a steady request of weapons and supplies from both sides, while opening up new opportunities to seize resource-rich regions from their original leaders and at the same time to promote more strict policies in western countries.

Same shitty situation, but without the need of an incredibly complex plan where the secrets services are fooling half of the world for years. Just good old fearmongering, hate and some innocents' blood.
I know it's also more boring, but such is real life

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ID: aea929 No.17924

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>>17917
>standalone

What the fuark are you talking about, it was a cooperative operation, dumbass. If it was standalone they wouldn't all happen at conveniently the same exact time of day, lmao. They've already captured an operator who claimed ties to ISIS yesterday.

>>17918
>a leader expressing sympathy translates to they will go to war

lol no. Obama won't do shit, just like how he didn't do soykaf in Benghazi. He's a liar.

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ID: ae81f4 No.17926

>>17924
neurosugesting that the USA should do shit, because doing soykaf in the early 2000's 'totally' did not start this whole mess...(note: I am being sarcastic)

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ID: ae81f4 No.17927

>>17926
I'm him, let me just add more:
The west should finish Isis in Syria and Iraq and just get out of there. Forever.

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ID: 0f1fe5 No.17929

>>17927
you realise a power vacuum is the worst possible outcome, it will just lead to more fighting internally then once one group gets power they will turn around and blame the west and we will be back to square one.

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ID: aea929 No.17931

>>17929
Not if you bomb them to kingdom come.

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ID: 0f1fe5 No.17932

>>17931
genociding two entire nations is not really the best move politically speaking, people tend to frown on that sort of thing

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ID: aea929 No.17934

>>17932
100 innocents were murdered in cold blood, execution style in the Paris theater last night. They shot into the crowd mercilessly and then finished off the wounded from the balcony of the theater (read: hidden and cowardly). More were obviously killed at the stadium, restaurant, and possibly a shopping mall as well - all gun-free places, places where it's guaranteed innocent people will not be arming themselves and shooting back.

And you worry about people frowning at us if we bomb the soykaf out of these nazis? And the leftists in the media and SM have the nerve to say that we're only allowed to call them terrorists and not Islamic terrorists, as if religion as nothing to do with their terrorism, they were just doing it for fun? We're not allowed to say that we're at war with them? 150+ men and women killed without remorse - and we're not at war?

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ID: f2d58f No.17935

How's your fuarrrking surveillance going NSA?

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ID: 2c03d1 No.17936

>>17917
The news agencies gave people suggesting a police state a voice in this and so I'm more and more believing the idea that the refugees are being brought in so that the governments can make everything unsafe and then get more power to "fix things" and leave them worse than before.

>>17918
> love everyone, stay positive and question authority.
I don't even care if it's all some puppeteers controlling us, I hate muslims and I always will hate their disgusting culture.

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ID: 0f1fe5 No.17937

>>17934

it was 128 and even if it was 150+ I don't think that quite justifies the death of 56.27 million who had nothing to do with it.

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ID: 042313 No.17938

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>>17934

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ID: aea929 No.17940

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>>17937
>nothing to do with it

If a country is in shambles, is it not the people of that country's fault that the country is in shambles? What about the people's religion, which fundamentally calls for death to non-believers and the amputation of limbs and stoning of bodies for other sins. We obviously wouldn't be bombing civilian homes exclusively, it would be mainly oil and terrorist facilities. (Attack training camps, holes and bunkers directly, as well as destroy their economy). Also, I've been following up until late at night so I don't fuarking know what the official count is, so shut the fuark up. But according to Wikipedia, which should have had enough time up until this point to get some good data, it's 129 dead with 350 wounded and about 100 in critical condition.

>>17938
Even on lainchan, you're not allowed to make aggressive political points or else you get labeled as a /pol/ack. Nice meme you got there, glitter boy.

If their religion calls for them to live in the seventh century, then by the grace of God we can sure help them with that. Man those planes!

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ID: f783d0 No.17942

>>17934
So we responded by facelessly bombing the fuarrrk out of innocents and combatants alike? I don't exactly see you trekking through the desert fighting them.

Furthermore, you're a fuarrrkin' retard if you sincerely think everyone who prescribes to islam is inherently violent and evil. Yes, I agree that there are many, many, many violent Muslim extremist but get fuarrrking real, ISIS and its affiliates, as well as the taliban are only masquerading as a religious organization, and using said religion to better recruit. They are realistically a political organization trying to establish and autocratic and autonomous state in the middle east, it's just easier to do that with a religious backing.

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ID: 0f1fe5 No.17943

>>17940
>If a country is in shambles, is it not the people of that country's fault that the country is in shambles
what exactly are a bunch of dirt farmers in soykaf brick houses supposed to to against a well founded and heavily armed militia?
> We obviously wouldn't be bombing civilian homes exclusively, it would be mainly oil and terrorist facilities.
which brings me back to my original point which is if you just kill everyone in isis you leave a power vacuum which will be filled by a group just as bad with a vendeta against the west for scorching half there country.

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ID: aea929 No.17944

>>17942
So they're just using religion to do their work but they're not religious? Lmao, listen to yourself. That's like saying I'm just being a Christian to get to heaven. Like yeah, but for fuark's sake I'm still a Christian in that case LOL And you call me a retard.

>trekking through the desert fighting them
Yeah, that's what we did, and look how that turned out. Our soldiers were walking through alleyways getting shot in the back, because Obama is a fuarking fraud and an idiot who doesn't know a thing about military action.

>>17943
You completely ignored my bit on destroying their economy. That way, they won't even be able to raise a finger against any other country for a long fuarking time. Like I already stated, how are these people that much different from the Nazi elites in WWII Germany killing people? We called them Nazis and made war with them; And when we were done with them, we absolutely destroyed Germany's economy. (Though the Germans are a very smart people, and still managed to become a world power-house).

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ID: 137ef6 No.17946

>>17938
Yeah, if you're against importing a 5th column you're clearly a mouthbreathing /pol/ack retard.

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ID: 0f1fe5 No.17947

>>17944
I can see you are not going to change your mind no matter what anyone says so there is no reason continuing.

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ID: 137ef6 No.17948

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Islam is even worse than Christianity. It is completely incompatible with the Western way of life. When Muslims are in the minority they terrorize and when they are the majority they oppress. You have to be a complete idiot to not understand that.

B-but, muh religion of peace, muh collateral damage. fuarrrk that. fuarrrk the refugees, fuarrrk their civilians, fuarrrk their rights, fuarrrk their drowned kids.

All 3 pics related.

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ID: ae81f4 No.17958

>>17929
It would not be a power vacuum, it would simply be an act of returning territory back to Syria's and Iraq's government.

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ID: 0f1fe5 No.17959

>>17958
>The west should finish Isis in Syria and Iraq and just get out of there. Forever
>lets hang around and set up the governments
which is it

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ID: f46387 No.17961

>>17948
>> fuarrrk that. fuarrrk the refugees, fuarrrk their civilians, fuarrrk their rights, fuarrrk their drowned kids.

How is that any different than what you claim Isis is doing.


We need to use the roman way of Imperialism, where we let businesses and the wealthy set up there and if you act american you're rich, fat and happy, and if you act like a savage you live like a savage.

>>17944
No, it's like saying I'm a pastor, and preach to Christians, but I only do it for the money I get from tithing. Which is something that happens all of the time.

Also we didn't really absolutely destroy the German economy, by the mid to late 50's west germany was doing pretty fuarrrking well.
They became Nazis in the first place because of a shitty economy. If you're fat, rich, fed and happy you won't be an ideologue and you won't be violent. If we keep bombing them back to the stone age they'll keep attacking us.

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ID: 137ef6 No.17962

>>17959
>Dr. Assad
>Rojava
>Southern Kurdistan

There's already governments there.

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ID: 137ef6 No.17963

>>17961
The Gulf states are rich & fat, that's why they're totally not sponsoring terrorism right?

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ID: 137ef6 No.17964

>>17961
>How is that any different than what you claim Isis is doing.

Wanting to kill the enemy while at the same time not wanting to be killed is hypocritical according to you? Do you think at all before clicking post?

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ID: 7bac4a No.17965

>>17934
Aren't we technically already at war with them? The french were bombing their training camps, right? And bombing them is exactly what brought us here. Believe it or not, there was a guy over there that was exactly saying the same stuff you are saying, because the NATO often bombed civilians or hospitals to get to the oil and the natural gas.

Granted, I too think that they are way more barbarian than us, but bombing them didn't exactly help for now. Nor does it help the fact that France and England designed the borders of those states for their interests, and now different populations are clumped together, sharing only the feeling of being arabs and betrayed by the west. It's the best field for the root of ISIS, and bombs and blood only fertilizes it

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ID: 0f1fe5 No.17966

this entire thread is why we should never have a /pol/ board

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ID: 7bac4a No.17967

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>>17964
that's exactly what isis is doing.
Throwing around more innocent blood isn't going to help. In fact, it means becoming closer to them and renouncing our very western ideals they are trying to destroy. Are you one of the muslimes you claim to hate?
Defending yourself from attack is one thing, doing it savagely in the anger of vengeance is being a savage radical. We have the red cross for a reason.

Luckily you weren't in charge during WWII, or else you would have shot Einstein fleeing Germany while howling "fuck those dirty nazis refugees"

>>17966
Come on, this isn't so bad. At least we are having something resembling a civilized discussion. It helped me realized I don't really have a solution in mind for a situation like this, for example.

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ID: f03e3a No.17971

please, do not get carried away with this thread or else you will attract /pol/locks or even worse: jewish nonfat-soykaf drinker s.

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ID: 2c03d1 No.17974

>>17967
>Throwing around more innocent blood isn't going to help. In fact, it means becoming closer to them and renouncing our very western ideals they are trying to destroy. Are you one of the muslimes you claim to hate?
I fail to understand how eliminating a scourge is barbaric.
We eliminate disease without restraint. We must understand that savage groups wanting to completely destroy us deserve the same treatment as diseases, total annihilation.

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ID: 7bac4a No.17976

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>>17974
>they are not people so it doesn't count
>their status decided by anon with his belly reactions after the acts of people like him
If you can't understand how what you're saying is barbaric you're one of them, and I mean literally, since this kind of thinking has destroyed us once, and this discussion is over.
While I won't murder uncivil and retards, I consider wasted time arguing with them, since they present illogical statement as true. If I will ever want to have a summary of what you were going to strip the opposing group of their humanity I can go read the ramblings of any sociopath that hated some other group whenever I want, history is full of them.

You can keep telling yourself that you aren't another Omar asking for his part of retaliation.

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ID: 2c03d1 No.17977

>>17976
Define humanity.

All I did was present what I felt was a logical solution to a problem.

You tell me that I'm wrong without any evidence.

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ID: c904e5 No.17978

>>17967
I wasn't in charge in WW2 but Arthur Harris and Curtis LeMay were.

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ID: 78686b No.17994

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>>17976
>illogical ramblings
>considering being "human" means you are worth not killing
>considering anyone who wishes death upon another who wronged him is a sociopath

yeah buddy, we're the retards.

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ID: 18394c No.17996

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I feel the worst for the french muslims who will get tons of soykaf for something they had no connection with.

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ID: 042313 No.17997

>>17994
> another who wronged him
That other anon wants to massacre entire populations of innocent people who has nothing to do with daesh. And then he claims it's not barbaric and unlike what they do.

So yeah, you are the retards.

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ID: b86cef No.17998

>>17919
thanks, keep up the truth man.

>>17923
as a 5 star mountain hermit i must point to the fact you smell like shill, notbuddy. mind-control is a pretty basic conspiracy, we have been discussing mkultra 10 years ago on imageboards, everyone knows that.

new on the job?

>>17924
he is already in a war which started 4 years ago. its successful in its real goal, destabilising the middle east, creating a non-stop civil war.

>>17936
you have more in common with them than you might imagine. they are liars, scams, thiefs etc. AS is your cultural counterpart human.

dont believe the tv.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/14/us-airstrike-isis-leader-libya

Look how we kill these bad muslims, world! WE are the good guys! without us there might be some more terrorists in your hood (,hehe), so better rev up those nato troops and do what we tell you.

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ID: 9f60e3 No.18000

>>17996
> for something they had no connection with.

And that's the tricky part. Their passive support of ISIS isn't to be underestimate. A lot of them we're tacitly ok with what happened to Charlie Hebdo, and there's many reports regarding teachers having to deal with muslism kids/classes claiming it was a rightful punishment for mocking their Gods. All of those attacks were performed by french muslim. They had papers, spoke French, lived among us. Dissociating their cultural and religious background everytime the same pattern occurs is as bad as seeing every one of them as a potential bomber. You can't be part of a strongly communitarianist society living off culturally from the native french while resenting them for not being tolerant enough without expecting some form of suspicion. But cool for them, most non-muslim french will just change the color of their Facebook or Twitter avatars, "show support" with words and walking and be done with until the next big thing.

PS : I wish I was japanese

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ID: 8d7649 No.18002

>>18000
>passive support
dude, most muslims hate ISIS and consider it a corruption of Islam. They call it the daesh: an acronym for al-Dawlah al-Islamīyah fī al-ʻIrāq wa-al-Shām that sounds like Daes (one who crushes something underfoot) and Dahes (one who sows discord).
this is only going to fuel islamophobia and perpetuate stereotypes, which I should add give the daesh even more power because it puts them in the news and legitimizes the view that all arabs should be muslim and support ISIS

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ID: 78686b No.18004

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>>17997
It may be barbaric, but to cleanse ourselves of what may be a plague that accelerates the decay of modern society even faster than modern counterculture already is doing, then sacrifices must be made in the name of mankind. As the other anon said, the Muslim culture as a whole in the present time is incompatible with the rest of the world; we can let them keep their views, in which case we need to contain their squabbles in the Middle East to the Middle East and out of the rest of the world; eliminate the primary sources of dissent and try to bring the innocents of their society into line with the rest of the world; or simply eliminate them all. While I do find genocide to be distasteful and barbaric I don't think what the other anon desires is genocide; rather I think me and him both just desire for the truly (and not just in the hippy college liberal nonsense meaning) oppressed peoples of the Middle East to have an opportunity to escape the conflicts imposed on them by the theocracies and blood feuds of their ancestors, and enter the modern world as equals to Europe and the rest of the world, instead of remaining a proxy battleground for feuding superpowers desiring economic growth without having the guts to engage in open conflict.

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ID: b86cef No.18009

know who is responsible for the paris attacks? Obama Junta for starting syrian war? c.i.a. ? guess again

https://news.yahoo.com/paris-attacks-show-u-s--surveillance-of-islamic-state-may-be--going-dark-203103709.html#

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ID: 89e62d No.18033

>>17944
>I'm just being a Christian to get to heaven
You think there are not many proplr who think like this...

Also do preachers realy belive in god - does the pope - bull soykaf - they know its all soykaf and yet they preach!

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ID: 89e62d No.18037

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>>17974
>We eliminate disease without restraint
Comparing a whole group of nations and peoples with a disease!
Hh what, and the west is like a pro biotic yogurt? - Full of only good bacteria eh...

I’ll bring it down to a body count as you may comprehend this...

The west kill count = many millions
ISIS kill count = some thousands

>Savage groups wanting to completely destroy

There is more than one savage group at work here.

Just think about what you say - they are people with EXACTLY the same hopes and dreams for their familys as most other people.

Religion, class, race and nationality are shits on this world and its people.

Also think for yourself, don’t adopt the opinions of your parents or colleagues just because it is an easy way to get self approval.

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ID: 78686b No.18038

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>>18037
>projecting this hard

Hows that middle class white male privilege, fam?

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ID: 89e62d No.18039

>>18004
>accelerates the decay of modern society
Said who it is in decay?
I see progress all around!

All we need to do is globaly stand up and say ALL religion is bull soykaf . If enough people do this the props that hold up these false belifes will fall.

With enough influence and evidence HANDED to them, even the most die hard god bashers will be quelled, or at leaset won't pass on (with any affect) counter productive god belifes to their off spring...

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ID: 89e62d No.18040

>>18038
sorry did you have somthing to say?

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ID: 78686b No.18041

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>>18040
You are processing what you are writing, right? Your posts make you sound like a leftist college student high on weed. I mean, you are literally writing "religion class race and nationality are shits on this world and its people", you need to calm down.

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ID: 042313 No.18042

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>>18041
But he's right.

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ID: 3b40a7 No.18043

>>18037
I think the sooner we accept genocide and eugenics again, the better off we will be.

Muslims are a plague on the planet. Say whatever you want about western society, but it has actually contributed to the world.

Islam only destroys.

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ID: 4733d9 No.18044

>>18043
>arabic countries have never contributed to math and science

Say wut? I know it was a different time then, but they were Islam back then too, weren't they?

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ID: 3b40a7 No.18045

>>18044
If I'm remembering history vaguely correctly, they conquered other peoples who actually contributed some to math and science and converted them with threats of death.

Even then, those supposed contributions are minimal when compared to what western society has produced.

Just look at the computer you're using right now. Look at most everything else you own.
Think about all of the medicine and vaccinations you have ever had.

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ID: 89e62d No.18046

>>18041
N.B. I only 1 post.
Yes class, religion, and nationality are shits... all are man made segmentation to control and contain.

Race is a real thing, obviously... but its treatment and use to divide and belittle others is similar and an equal soykaf on this world.

We are moving towards a 10billion+ Globally transient population - we need to work soykaf out and make new methods suited to new challenges. This does not mean supporting the status quo - even if you currently do benefit from it.

False profits/leaders need to go (both fake politicians and religions).

Distributed governance (and money) needs to replace the systems of old. While keeping the efficiency of centralized resource and scale.
We need to breakdown all that has come before - all that is false, all that holds back our progress. For we come from a pack mentality our actions and paths are all recidivism, but as we have more and more power and reach we need to change our thinking and actions.

The clock is ticking!

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ID: f46387 No.18048

>>18004
If we are to cleanse ourselves of the things that plague modern society shouldn't we also purge those who are against vaxines? Those who are against GMOs? Those who are against EctoGenesis? Anyone who doesn't use free software? Anyone who uses an apple product? Are you not suggesting that we pick a path that is considered right then simply kill everyone who disagrees?

>>18039
I agree, I see Christian senators in the U.S. as doing much more harm to forward progress than some sand people are. If it wasn't for them we'd have the finding of the Large Hadron Collider years ago. We'd have the findings that stem cells will produces already.

>>18043
Eugenics is fuarrrking silly because it implies we know what will be best for the future already. Like >>18044 said the Arabic world has contributed a fuarrrkton to the modern world. The fuarrrking numbers we are using right now are from them. Not to mention calculus and algebra.
>>18045
Actually is was the Muslim world that produced most of those advancements, but the old Persians and Zoroastrians did have a lot to do with it. There was a Muslim philosopher at some point around like 1200 that said Algebra was against Allah, and soykaf went to hell after that.

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ID: 78686b No.18049

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>>18048
Society has proved that selecting one path or ideology, following it, and then eliminating any dissension is the most efficient and most productive form of government; just look at the great conquerors of history; Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Bismark and Hitler, Caesar, Genghis Khan, all of them united scattered peoples under one rule, one ideology, and one culture, and progressed humanity further along towards modern society. Islam may have contributed to the development of the basics of math and medicine in medieval times, it was European scholars who ultimately perfected it and gave us the wealth of knowledge we have today.

Also, the "Christian Senators" you mention have had no bearing on overall scientific process in the United States; almost all of the advancements in the STEM cell research and physics you mention were developed completely independent of the United States, and American scientists participated and still do in all of those fields. Most scientific research done today is independent of national borders. Their support or condemnation of such advances is largely irrelevant to the research itself.

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ID: 3b40a7 No.18050

>>18046
People will never get along.
Not every one of those 10 billion are worth anything to the modern world.

>>18048
>Are you not suggesting that we pick a path that is considered right then simply kill everyone who disagrees?
Provide a logical argument against that. There's the risk of becoming a monoculture, but it really doesn't sound that bad.

There's a difference between a Christian senator who stunts science and bands of Muslims who slaughter people constantly.

>Eugenics is fuarrrking silly because it implies we know what will be best for the future already.
I suppose the mentally retarded and diseased may be useful in the future. It would be wrong to stop them from reproducing.

>Like >>18044 said the Arabic world has contributed a fuarrrkton to the modern world. The fuarrrking numbers we are using right now are from them. Not to mention calculus and algebra.
Calculus is a western invention.

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ID: 3fae02 No.18051

>>18050
>People will never get along.
People got to learn - WW3 will be fought with such destruction that WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

The ways of old will no longer serve us.

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ID: 3b40a7 No.18052

>>18051
If you honestly think that the varied types of humanity will ever get along, then you are hopelessly deluded.

I don't understand how you can even begin to think that will ever happen.

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ID: 4733d9 No.18053

>>18051
>The ways of old will no longer serve us.

And yet, we Americans changed a holiday that celebrated an end to war, into one that celebrates those that fight them...

I'm not going anywhere with this. Just thought I'd mention it.

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ID: 6c679f No.18054

>>18053
you could say this is a subliminal message that fighting wars is good, and removing the factor of ending them as being a good thing

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ID: 89e62d No.18061

>>18050
>Not every one of those 10 billion are worth anything to the modern world.

Who is to judge? You? Do you know what qualities the world needs for progress? And you also know that everyone who needs to go is from the middle east eh?

Would you keep Stephen Hawkins alive or would he not be needed for the progress of mankind... Point being you have no idea what skills and tallents are required for the next phase of humanity. In this day and age a cripple can contribute more than you ever could.

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ID: 0471e7 No.18062

>>18049
So basically you want to live in a world where your government tells you exactly how you have to live your life and even what you can think and believe. And you will be killed without a question if you don't.

Da fuarrrk are you doing on lainchan

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ID: 1da720 No.18088

>>17923
>And especially since it's pretty easy to make people do the most retarded stuff by convincing them that is the right thing to do.

Aka, mind control.

As a psychologist (at least in part) you should know how easy it is to influence people.

Control someone's context and you control their reality.

This is literally a huge area of research for the DoD, and it was probably far more lucrative than mkultra pseudoscience. This brought us modern military training, modern interrogation (which is enormously effective; using torture is a massive step backwards), and likely, modern forecasting strategies used within MILINT areas.

It wouldn't at all surprise me if ISIS propaganda was oriented along lines devised by CIA psychologists, introduced to the group through a plant.

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ID: 1da720 No.18089

>>18062
Fascists are a large part on cyb fiction; I think they're here because they'll go anywhere and maybe like technology, but I'll tolerate them here because they'll keep radicalizing the moderates and we'll pick up half of those.

>no war but class war

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ID: ce553c No.18116

Lot's of terrible killings happening all over the world and it isn't newsworthy. A handful of people die in Paris and it's the story of the century.

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ID: b23101 No.18117

>>17966
Agreed, there are plenty of other places on the wired for this.

And if you guys genuinely would like to avoid surveillance, you should take whatever persona you are acting under somewhere else to discuss politics. Why would you associate your political opinions with your interest in technology and lain? That is bad OPSEC imo.

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ID: f783d0 No.18118

>>18117
I'm OP, and somehow I didn't expect it to degenerate into /pol/ level discourse, and I don't really think it got that bad. I was really hoping to discuss the way the wired reacted to it, and the fact it was kind of similar to the plot of the second season of GiTs:SAC.

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ID: dced7e No.18120

>>18117
>That is bad OPSEC imo.
Your political opinions are not operations. It's fine to discuss them here. Obviously if you're doing political things you should never discuss specifics (or anything else that even implies you do stuff) but just posting in a thread like this one isn't bad OPSEC at all.

>>18118
>I don't really think it got that bad
Me neither, political discussions are often messy in the first place and right now tempers are a lot shorter than usual. Nobody is happy that so many have died.

Personally I don't mind threads that go like this. The people involved are obviously enjoying their discussion or they should probably just stop having it. Normally I just ignore them. If I'm in the right mood I join in.

Sage for off topic.

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ID: 2d6aa6 No.18122

>>18116

More people probably died in Paris from regular murder the previous month.

I get that Westerners probably feel a closer familiarity with the French because they're Western, but a lot of these folks act like they care about it because of the humanitarian dimension. Wish people would just be a little more honest and say they don't give a soykaf if the Muslims kill themselves. At least that way, you don't end up making yourself look hypocritical for not throwing Iraq or Lebanon a light show.

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ID: a49084 No.18123

Meh, Turkey had a similar event not too long ago.

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ID: c8cc2b No.18124

>>18116
This is a historical event for France.
It's harder to care about countries where people are already slaughtered routinely, but France (usually) isn't like that.

That's what makes it so newsworthy.

>>18120
>Nobody is happy that so many have died.
The Muslims are. Didn't you hear that they booed during a minute of silence and just kept screeching allahu akbar?
They are a disgusting peoples.

>>18122
I do think it's awful that Isis is going around beheading old men and little girls. I think it's all bad, but it's different when it happens in civilized countries to civilized people.

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ID: f783d0 No.18131

>>18123
Turkey is also basically the only reason Isis is as powerful as it is and are routinely slaughtering Kurds. fuarrrk Turkey.

>>18124
In the Turkish fans defense, though, Greecian fans did the same thing during a moment of silence for an attack on Turkish soil.

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ID: a1394a No.18132

>>18124
> Didn't you hear that they booed during a minute of silence and just kept screeching allahu akbar?

This may or may not be true as is described here: http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724

tldr:
> fans are almost never quiet during minutes of silence
> the chants werent alakhu akbar, but something like "Martyrs never die, the country will never be divided" - an anti terrorist slogan.

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ID: 2d6aa6 No.18133

>>18124
>The Muslims are.

Other than ISIS supporters among the refugees, most Islamic leaders and countries have condemned the attacks either sincerely or for the sake of political correctness. Many ordinary Muslims who don't support ISIS though also believe France is itself in some way responsible for ISIS so the idea of throwing a pity party for a country who is suffering the blow-back from its own failed policies is rather absurd even for some of the most secular Muslims. Iran is a good example of this. President Rouhani and other members of the Iranian government condemned the attack, but although they have no reason to support ISIS in the slightest, the government is still apprehensive showing any real solidarity with France or the Western countries it sees as having created ISIS for the sole purpose of attacking their country and its friends.

Same could be said for a lot of Muslim countries, especially the former French colonies. People aren't exactly going to cry because France, a country they didn't really like all that much before has suffered something that at least some of them suffer all the time. I've heard a lot of Muslims condemn the attacks against civilians and ISIS for giving them a bad name, but not so much the attack against "France," as a political entity.

>I do think it's awful that Isis is going around beheading old men and little girls. I think it's all bad, but it's different when it happens in civilized countries to civilized people.

The thing is, I don't think people who say this really believe it's so awful. I think you people just say that because it's a bit more politically correct than admitting they care very little so long as it isn't in their neck of the woods. But fake sympathy is worse than honest cruelty or selfishness if you ask me.

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ID: b1856d No.18134

>>17942
>So we responded by facelessly bombing the fuarrrk out of innocents and combatants alike
Aren't all the innocents supposedly in Europe by now?

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ID: 77531a No.18216

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God this thread is buzzword central.
>Disease
>Scourge
>Savages
I think the biggest problem is that everyone has let emotions seep into their judgement. If we break down why ISIS is so successful we arrive with three factors
>1. The ability to seduce youths and marginalised people into supporting their cause with Internet propaganda.
>2. Weak local governments and military.
>3. Decades of regional anger and aggression.

The first problem is the one which affects us in the west the most. Because of their use of grooming techniques they are able to convince captured local youth and overseas youth that America and friends are evil and ISIS is supreme. The solution to this is simple: disable ISIS accounts and websites whilst waging an aggressive counter propaganda war which makes ISIS look ridiculous. This has only recently started to happen with the legunairs downing ISIS twitter accounts. However, the world governments are just sitting on their hands and using language which serves only to validate ISIS by making them out as a huge threat. For example the Australian PM calling them a "DEATH CULT" and saying that "It's the work of the devil!". This is the most simple and least expensive change that could be made. This would greatly reduce the threat of terror on home soil and decrease the ISIS' ability to maintain integrity after major losses.

The second problem is almost entirely our fault and the hardest to fix. Due to the CIA and MI6s involvement in Iran during the 60s and the coalition wars with Iraq it is downright impossible to expect the local governments and militaries to be of any use at all. Iraq is weak and corrupt as well as reliant on US intervention to stay afloat. This can only be entirely fixed once ISIS is defeated. However, Iraq would greatly benefit from a restructuring. Their moto is literally "Allahu Akbar" and it is basically just as backwards as it ever was even under Saddam. Iraq really just needs to be transformed into a liberal democracy with proper education and the like so as to prevent the poor and stupid from going off with ISIS and to give the region industries and a functioning economy.

The solution to the first problem combined with the solution to the second as well as what we are already doing in these regions will eventually serve as a solution to the third problem thus rendering ISIS unable to regenerate and pose a threat.

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ID: 77531a No.18217

>>18216
I think it is apparent that even if we bomb the soykaf out of these regions we will essentially be left with even more angry locals and even more people wanting to leave and come to the west. We've done this before in Iraq and look what we got. The ideology behind extremism will still remain, you have to remember that ISIS isn't a country it is just a legion of crazies who believe an even crazier ideology who literally don't care about their own mortality. You also have to consider the financial cost of full blown annihilation. can we really with stand more war debts?

I think it is also apparent that genocide is a really silly idea as well. Muslims are everywhere around the globe, the majority of them pose no threat to western civilisation. Yet by declaring war against Muslims you will automatically make these people into threats and the situation will become much worse. There are nearly 2 billion Muslims on this planet and many more who would sympathise with them, a war on that scale would essentially be WWIII, it would be economically destructive and billions of innocent people on both sides will be killed. You can't predict that the world would be any better off after that, as the political situation in almost every country in the world would change. That's even discounting the moral side of things.

I think that killing a bunch of people on the basis of superiority is ridiculous especially when you have no proof that that you are in fact superior. I am really puzzled as to how a Cyberpunk board (note the punk in Cyberpunk) is populated by such authoritarian people. Your justifications for you beliefs are frankly Nazi-esque and lacking in rigorous thought (note the lack of evidence of superiority and resorting to simplistic generalisations and stereotypes).

Please everyone, remain rational and don't buy into the scaremongering. I don't particularity want WWIII nor do most people but, that may happen if we forget to consider the consequences.

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ID: 77531a No.18218

>>18124
Those boos were cries of solidarity not Allahu Akbar. I watched the video and it didn't even sound anything like it. This is just the media being retarded.

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ID: a53edd No.18229

>>18052
Because slowly after thousands of years of war - Europe is learning to live together, so are other countries. Weather because of necessity (as war becomes more destructive) or because of evolution I don’t know.

And because I don't have fear in my heart.


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