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ID: 2c0ba7 No.17375

I used to do the Reddit /r/news and /r/worldnews thing, but then they went corporate-censorship-crazy and started banning people for discussing trade treaties. They also developing a hivemind where anyone male, white, and european-descended was to blame for absolutely everything.

So I moved over to anything-goes Voat, but /v/news and /v/worldnews are merely a new sort of hivemind full of raging bigots who think that anyone not male, white, and european-descended is to blame for absolutely everything.

I'm sick of both extremes. I just want to know what's going on in the world without getting trapped in a news bubble. I'm thinking of doing the self-hosted TTRSS thing and loading it with a zillion RSS feeds from a wide variety of sources, but then the problem is in filtering to what's important.

What I'm really looking for is some sort of RSS reader (either hosted or standalone) that automatically curates based on what words are most common in the news of the day, rather than keywords that I set ahead of time. Any ideas on how this could be accomplished?
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ID: 03c65d No.17378

Used to be /pol/ but I don't go there anymore because they're so vitriolic. Honestly, whatever I happened to catch wind of is as far as my news search goes.

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ID: 4eb974 No.17379

I go by 8chan and see what the front page is showing from /n/.
The rest of my news is from sites like gnu.org.

You find a lot of things a few days before other news organizations carry them and also find things that never get reported by others at all.

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ID: 3e56cb No.17380

I don't. I know it'll do me more harm than good but I don't care because of the reasons you posted.

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ID: 037e1f No.17382

I'm not really interested in news. Most people would say that makes me ignorant, but really i'm not an economist, not a politician, not a doctor, not a scientist, not an engineer, not an artist, etc. The whole point of news is to inform people about what's going on in the world; but since i'm not well informed in most things, i can only read the 'dumb version' of news that goes through one or more layers of journalism. They chew and reinterpret things enough for the average Joe to understand, but by that point it becomes objective...ly biased. I realized this after watching some news in TV about some data leaks and whatnot - both the reporter and expert try to avoid factual things, and they only talk about interpretations that the viewer might be interested in, like "is my computer/data still safe? should i run a virus scan? how much will this cost me?"

I understand that most of the news are supposed to be informing you, but with the complexity of our current society (all fields that can be studied), it's really just giving people a false sense of being informed, and is used to control opinion.

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ID: 057155 No.17385

>>17375
>any ideas on how this could be accomplished?
take an existing feed reader with the ability to group postings by "today", "this week", "this month" etc, implement a hash that calculates noun and "weird word" counts for these groupings (i.e. ignore the top n articles / pronouns / adjectives / adverbs / prepositions), and add a filter which lets you choose from those top words to filter the visible articles

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ID: 7b8d15 No.17390

No one is going to offer you a perfectly bias-free assement of the daily news, the best you can do is use your powers of discernment and get your news from several sources.

Drudge Report is a news aggregations site, I copy the link locations and open them up in archive.is. Sounds like exactly what you are looking for.

As for bias, judge for yourself, Drudge links to right and left wing sites alike but I would imagine many of the left leaning folks on lainchan would consider it right wing. The main reason being that every once in awhile it links to articles skeptical/critical of climate change but again make up your own mind on this.

For tech news I like Hacker News, its pretty much like Drudge, just open up the links in an archive.

To answer the title question, I get my news from Drudge, Wapo, NYT, Breitbart, /n/ && /pol/.

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ID: 2c0ba7 No.17394

>>17390

>No one is going to offer you a perfectly bias-free assement of the daily news, the best you can do is use your powers of discernment and get your news from several sources.


Well, yes. That's the entire point of my question. No human being is going to be unbiased in curation. That's why I'm looking to automate the process as much as possible, so that I can have thousands of feeds but not have to spend my entire day manually reading through them all or relying on clumsy preset keyword filtering.

>>17385

Now this sounds like a damn good idea. I'm giving serious thought to try to implement this, even though I haven't done any coding in years.

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ID: c4fa83 No.17398

>>17394
Well I don't normally post here but i've been looking for a service like this for a long time.

If you really start creating something consider starting a thread here, I usually have a lot of free time, but not so much experience in coding, so I don't think i would manage to do it myself.

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ID: b3ed76 No.17415

I rarely pay attention to news on a day to day basis. When I do want to check the news, I go to reuters, since it has the most neutral reporting I know of. I used to go to al jazeera, but I got sick of all the left wing editorials.

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ID: dc0e7e No.17416

>>17375
listen to PM it's 5pm gmt on radio 4 and it's obviously on Iplayer. Not going to be a major new feed but they are definitely the least biased traditional media, great if you want to hear some interesting opinions and the occasional sjw getting soykaf on.

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ID: 96f132 No.17419

>>17390
/pol/ please go and stay go

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ID: 54623f No.17423

I get my tech news from lainchan and the Security Now podcast on twit.tv, and read the wikipedia front page from time to time.
I like how you can listen to a podcast while doing something else, I should follow more of those.

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ID: b79e3c No.17424

>>17375
>reddit news

reddit has no journalistic integrity, its less trustworthy then wikipedia. I don't trust those types of site because the users all get the same political ideology and let it affect anything they do or write.
and, reddit is reddit. if you don't insider tradewhat they say, you're an asshole.

anyway, I used to use 8chan, until around last april. that site went down the drain pretty quickly, too many tards on there.

I only follow tech news, so usually I just go to lainchan, Wired or some other website. for gaming news, I use allgamesbeta, and metacritic.

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ID: 5441c7 No.17429

>>17375
Honestly, I feel far too bad to get any news at all.
I get it. The world os shit, and I will probably never see it fixed in my life time, but can you stop rubbing it in?

Every bloody day we get to hear about the advantages of immigration by the leftist media here in Germany, anybody who is against allowing everybody in is shut up in interviews and yelled at by the cherry-picked audience.
I hate the hypocrisy in the statements that I hear all the time.
"Look at these right wingers! People like them should be gassed.", as my mother out it after watching a report about a right wing protest, in which one spokesperson claimed that the Concentration Camps should be reopened.
Both sides don't realize that the other side has valid and invalid points, too. They feel so much better when they can clearly distinguish between bad and good, and they are always on the good side.
I hate black and white. Accept the grey you fools!
>t.German.

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ID: 83049b No.17511

>>17382
>with the complexity of our current society (all fields that can be studied), it's really just giving people a false sense of being informed, and is used to control opinion.

qfft

news is bullshit

I get my tech news from hacker news and my psych news from various facebook pages for old people and that keeps me in the loop for the things I know about. Everything else is exactly what this anon says.

also protip: all the "hot stories" are literally nothing but extremely thinly veiled attempts at overt social manipulation. Do you think a kid named "Ahmed" decided to "bring a clock to school" right after a presidential candidate said that a muslim could never be president? If the media is carrying a story it's because they think they'll make money off of it.

I know from being near the inside that smaller media outlets like special-interest magazines are better, in that they're small enough that they don't have overt manipulation going on, but they're also not general news outlets.

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ID: b12d45 No.17641

>>17511
why did you deride him and then write multiple sentences confirming his point?

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ID: 131e2d No.17648

>>17390 has the right idea when they said that you should get your news from several sources and "figure out" what the most reliable source is.

What helps me a lot is going to forums/ boards where news is posted (8/n/ mainly) and looking at the responses. You'll usually find people arguing or discussing their differing takes on a news story which will result in links, information, etc either supporting, exposing, or contradicting a news story.

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ID: 037e1f No.17783

>>17641
he used "qfft" after quoting me which according to urban dictionary stands for "quoted for fuarrrking truth", so i guess it was no derision

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ID: 5beffd No.17787

i check yahoo finance every so often other than that if I don't pick it up on an imageboard i'll never hear about it.

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ID: d2bf02 No.17797

>>17382
>it's really just giving people a false sense of being informed, and is used to control opinion.
^This. It scares the Hell out of me that everything we see can so easily be used to manipulate everyone and have us all disillusioned. It seems all news everywhere is biased. We really can't truly know what's occurring without it being tainted lest we actually experience it basically.

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ID: 646b37 No.17800

>>17375
Really, the best way to overcome the one-sidedness of getting your news from just a couple of places is to get it from a lot of places.

Look through the same story from different perspectives, even vastly different ones. Then you can analyze the data yourself and see what the deal is.

This inevitably involves increasing the noise to signal, at least at first. What I did is used RSS feeds in emacs, and twitter through bitlbee in erc.

It takes a while at first, and probably more time than you really want to commit just to stay informed. However, after time, you switch to the model of increasing signal to noise, all the while occasionally adding new good sources as you find them. RSS and the RSS-like tweets of some twitters provide a birds-eye view to work with, and after a while you learn to sift through the soykaf and obviously bad sources, deleting the ones which are consistently useless.

Here are some of the higher-quality sources I've found. Keep in mind I'm American; so this, like any source of information will have certain biases political and otherwise:

politics, culture, arts:
The New Yorker
Harper's
The Atlantic
Vice
NPR
The Jacobin

Traditional News-Like:
Al Jazeera
NHK
Der Spiegel
Democracy Now!
The Economist

Tech:
hacker news
re/code
anandtech
ars technica

science:
Quanta
Nature

Academia/Lit:
Arts and Letters Daily
The Paris Review
L.A. Review of Books
The New Inquiry

Philosophy:
Daily Nous
3:AM (has other stuff too)

tinfoil hat mode:
wikileaks
cryptome

Good for a laugh/borderline pornography:
Sankaku Complex

Certain channels on IRC are also great for getting the skinny.

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ID: c7f5ad No.17822

>>17375
How do you take your soycaf?

The headlines you see on /r/news and /r/worldnews are summaries of articles published by reporters. Each contain roughly 25 words, and you skim maybe 15 of them at a time.

The articles that reporters publish are summaries of press releases from a variety of sources (corporations, universities, other news outlets, etc). Each contain between roughly 500-800 words on average, and even a small outlet produces 15 articles a day.

Side-note: Even when a news outlet investigates something itself, what you're reading isn't the immediate result of that investigation; you're reading a summary of a press release passed from the investigative department to the reporting department.

Press releases are summaries of vast swathes of data, each built on hundreds if not thousands of hours of work. Each press release only contains around 300-400 words, but even a small news outlet receives upwards of 500 press releases a day (that's a conservative estimate btw).

'What's going on in the world' is a fire-hose of information that no single person can hope to grok. Several layers of organization and hundreds if not thousands of people are required to taper that fire-hose down to a drizzle suitable for individual consumption.

But people aren't free, and last I checked you weren't paying Reddit to find quality news articles, Reddit wasn't paying news outlets to produce those articles, news outlets don't pay corporations to release unbiased press releases, corps don't pay their PR teams to tell the truth, and corps sure as heck don't fund studies to produce bad results.

If you want unbiased news, you're soykaf out of luck. It doesn't exist, and it never existed. And if you think you can write some magic program to condense the fire-hose down objectively, you're going to run into two big problems:

First, you don't even have access to the fire-hose. You won't have access to most press releases, unless you work for a news agency or are paying big money for a subscription. You sure as soykaf don't have access to the data behind those press releases, for obvious reasons.

Second, even if you did have access to the fire-hose, the vast majority of that information is about as interesting as evaporated soycaf and half as easy to drink. Because you don't read the news to learn about the world, you read the news to get mad or happy about the state of the world. You read the news because even though you don't care about what's happening in the world, you still want to read something that validates your beliefs. Because humans need more than food and water to live. Humans need entertainment, sex, love, play, and above all else, validation.

And so the reason you're finding /{r|v}/news boring isn't because they're suddenly biased, it's because their biases no longer align with yours. They've changed their soycaf blend, or you've changed your tastes, and now there's nothing there that you want. Chances are, there's nowhere that sells the blend you like. So unless you want to spend the rest of your life grinding beans, heed my advice:

Stop pretending to give a shit, and find your validation someplace else.


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ID: f5e13d No.18343

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>>17375
It might be a bit weird. But I get most of my general news from my country's two main newspapers. Occasionally I check in on the Guardian and the Telegraph (not so much the Guardian any more because it has been pretty soykaf lately). But this is mainly almost as a form of entertainment, not to know what's going on in the world. I think most news outlets know this and it's why they act like they do.

One of my main news sources is word of mouth. I hear people talking about it and check various sources to see what it's about. Afterwards, I might check some peoples opinions or thoughts on it too. Thats my favourite way of doing it, and also probably the best. Spending evenings doing that with a cup of coffee can be pretty comfy.

Sometimes I also read the newspapers they have at cafes.

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ID: 723d9a No.18344

To be honest, I don't understand modern obsession with news. News create a false sense of being 'informed', always trying to seem important, while in reality they spoon-feed you with propaganda. People waste hours onthis, it's saddening. I'll tell you the news: a plane will crash, there will be a floodin this country you don't care about, dow jones industrial average will drop by 100 points (holy сrap, it's happening!), new motherfuarrrker elected for president (totally not a prick this time), new bombings in Palestine, a school shooting. There will be a snow and frost in winter, rivers of melted soykaf in spring, warm summer and rainy autumn. Next time you read an article header, ask yourself "will this change my life?"

I trust only first hand witnesses. For some recent events, real thing was opposite from government news. It didn't change life, but proved how gornment treats us, common people. Pardon me for my rant.

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ID: 2eb818 No.18351

Aljazeera all the way, chummer

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ID: da226d No.18352

twitter,
cryptome,
new york times,
risky business,
npr

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ID: 58e912 No.18355

ProPublica does some great investigatory reporting.

For an example on US domestic issues, see their series of reports on workers comp https://www.propublica.org/series/workers-compensation and temporary labor https://www.propublica.org/series/temp-land

They have a nice list of their investigative works. It's not all as important as the two I mentioned, but it's pretty interesting nevertheless.



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