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ID: 494a26 No.17165

I'm not sure if this is an appropriate post for /r/, but this is the only community I can reach out to in any meaningful way and I need to talk about this.

I'm in a situation where I am hyperaware of the absolute meaninglessness of everything. The principles on which society is built, and on which our morality is founded. The expectations people have of one another. All of it is fake, shallow, bull soykaf . I mean, I know this is a relatively common experience, but I have been experiencing a lot of negative stuff alongside it.

I guess the most concerning thing I've been experiencing is an extreme detachment and alienation from both myself and the world around me, as though I am an empty being observing a hallucination of reality. I float through life without having much in the way of life experiences. hardly remembering what I do from day to day because it's like I'm in a dream. In the past, I'd withdraw into myself when exposed to the problems of the world and of the human condition, but I've found that I am increasingly empty in the roots of my being.

I also experience this alienation when I observe the behavior of other people. It's as though they're completely ignorant of all of the things I am experiencing, because if they had experienced them they would be more like me. I suppose I don't want to accept the alternative because it means that the differences between me and other people is that I lack the ability to cope with these negative experiences. I don't want to think that I am broken, and instead project this brokenness onto the fabric of reality, clinging to certain strains of social and individualist anarchist thought, existentialism, and Gnosticism. I know that probably sounds edgy, but that isn't my intent. Frankly I'm not sure if I am legitimately interested in any of those things or if I'm just desperate for some sense of security and hope.

Because of my social isolation and intense feelings of alienation, I've continued to withdraw from anything I see as threatening, and the extent to which I isolate myself warps my perspective of what constitutes a threat. I try to avoid anything that could shatter whatever is left of my internal world.

Lains, I'm really hurting. I don't know how much longer I can do this. I don't think I was meant to exist.

I'm sorry for the blog post. I normally wouldn't post something like this. I just need someone to hear this.
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ID: 4b2325 No.17166

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>>17165
You sound like I did when I was clinically depressed, which I think you are. Isolation just makes it worse. What comforted me was finding beautiful things. I found art but some people find nature.

I'd advise you to force yourself to see a doctor. Just do it.

As for absolute meaninglessness, most philosophers of an existentialist bent ultimately reject pessimism, for their own reasons of course. If you haven't read this I'd recommend it. It's not only short but Camus also gives an outline of previous responses to the problem meaninglessness so it acts as a good starting point, even if you ultimately reject Camus' particular conclusion. Sorry if you've already read it.

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ID: 59690e No.17167

>>17165
>I guess the most concerning thing I've been experiencing is an extreme detachment and alienation from both myself and the world around me, as though I am an empty being observing a hallucination of reality. I float through life without having much in the way of life experiences. hardly remembering what I do from day to day because it's like I'm in a dream. In the past, I'd withdraw into myself when exposed to the problems of the world and of the human condition, but I've found that I am increasingly empty in the roots of my being.

This sounds a lot like dissociative disorder (or my more interesting DXM trips).

>Because of my social isolation and intense feelings of alienation, I've continued to withdraw from anything I see as threatening, and the extent to which I isolate myself warps my perspective of what constitutes a threat. I try to avoid anything that could shatter whatever is left of my internal world.


Remember the fact that some people on here follow some of those "strains of thought" you described, and those people don't only exist on the wired.

I'm not really a philosopher type, but I try to make myself think about these things. And I'm not a nihilist, since I happen to believe in a God. That said, I'm also an existentialist. And If I understand existentialism correctly, you may create your own meaning simply because you exist, regardless of whether or not you were meant to exist.

However, I know that feeling, that you weren't meant to exist, and it is like kicking dead whales down the beach . What worked for me at that time was to stop giving a fuarrrk about anything aside from my interests. Eventually I found that my life became centered around my interests, and that fulfilling my interests required me to go to college and do something other than making pizza. If you don't have any interests, then do some /drg/ and read a book.

I hope you keep going, lainon. There's too few of our kind left in this world full of idiots with smartphones, starving people, and corrupt overlords.

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ID: 481ce3 No.17168

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I can relate to most of the things you said. I don't know anybody that thinks like me IRL, I'm mostly alone 99% of time (and not rich either) but I do well, I live well. IMO the only way is to accept fate and reality as it is, and keep doing soykaf you like to do until death. We don't choose where, how and who we're born. You should stop seeking if this or that has "meaning". That "meaning" DOESN'T exist because this is only a human concept. YOU choose if something has meaning. Nothing has universal "meaning". Some people think that has meaning, other don't etc... You are probably in a depression like state : nothing truly satisfy you, thus nothing has "meaning", thus "why do I exist ?".

My advice for you : don't let your introvert personality kills you. Maybe try to think less and do more instead. And when you think, think more about the things you must do to have a more pleasant life experience. Be a bit more like "fuck you Life, I can be happy on my own despite all the bullsoykaf you throw at me". Never give up to entertain yourself despite the world given. You only live one life, that's kinda short, so who cares the "meaning", try enjoy things as they are, escape the boredom of the world, you will die as everybody, so at least make it fun.

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ID: 481ce3 No.17169

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>>17168
TL,DR : Stop giving a fuarrrk, have fun (yes you can), find interests, do shit, live your life. "Meaning" is meaningless.

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ID: f40866 No.17170

I feel for you. I really do.

I've been the same way last 5 years and I know exactly how detachment and numb existence hurts. Only for last months I have found my own way.

If you want advice, only thing I can give you: don't seek meaning in meaningless things. The world is a shallow place, it is all plastic. If you want to find piece and content, search for meaning outside and above the shallow. I wish we could talk face-to-face, the internet doesn't cut it.

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ID: 9fc171 No.17171

>>17165
1)Try to have fun in life.
2)The only meaning in life is the one that you give yourself. <-Try try take this one seriously. Take one day 5 minutes of your busy schedule to think of something like a life goal for yourself.
I.e. mine is something like this:
"If I can, during my life make one person value their freedom more than they originally did (even my own children), then my life is fulfilled." Something similar to that is my life goal.

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ID: cddb75 No.17175

>>17165
I know how you feel.

It's easy to get alienated from the world when you don't see much of yourself in the people around you. I'm not sure how qualified I am to give advice, but I find the best way to deal with this kind of stuff is to try to find people you can relate to at least a bit.

Obviously, it's not easy to do that, but surely no-one is so completely unique in character that they don't belong anywhere. The chances that you were 'not meant to exist' are small, I think.

Communities online (like lainchan) are good for reminding you that there are other people who experience what you do, and even if you don't see that afk I find it is enough most of the time to know I'm not the only person who sometimes feels like an observer to the rest of the planet.

Also, breaking your isolation in little ways every now and then can help, even if it makes you uncomfortable doing it.

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ID: 87a89d No.17177

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I can relate to almost everything that you said the only difference is I'm okay with this state of mind or however you'd like to call it. You can either do what other posters above said and have fun and whatnot or you can sink into a deeper depression to the point of which where you stop caring, it's really up to you but I personally prefer the latter.

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ID: 79d3af No.17191

>>17166
Reading this book now.
OP, do yourself a favor and get a copy. a PDF is easy to snag.
I'm pretty depressed myself, and it's helping.
Also realizing that if you're so depressed that nothing matters, therefore you can do anything you fuarrrking want, is amazing. You'll get there!!

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ID: 093445 No.17192

>>17166
I have been diagnosed with depression, among other things. I'm on an antidepressant. Takes the edge off but doesn't really do anything about the underlying causes obviously. I recently got out of the local psychiatric hospital and am doing outpatient care at my university. I actually start therapy this week. As for that book, I'm familiar with it (and Camus obviously) but I haven't taken the time to read it because I've got 7 books started that I need to finish. I'll put it at the top of my backlog though.

Thanks for the responses, everyone. I can't be assed to respond to them all, but I've considered them all very thoroughly over the course of the day.

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ID: 804cd3 No.17203

I am here, and I hear you.

Most people, frankly, ARE ignorant of most of the things you're experiencing. Or rather, they may have thought about them at a point, but as they got older, other things become more important. Material temptations. Conformity to peer pressure. The strong dominating the weak, and the weak trying to corrupt the strong. It's unfortunate that so many people are not aware of the forces that govern their lives, controlling the way they think.

People often say that meaning is self-created, but they don't say the how, or the why. They sort of take it for granted. Even less often do they apply what they say to themselves and their own lives.

Reality is fractalline; by that I mean that it is not entirely random or orderly, but that it is infinitely complex, and requires knowledge to apprehend it. Though you may never fully apprehend the true nature of the reality you've found yourself in, you can move closer relative to others, and thus become wise. This is a shaman's path - in my opinion, the most useless, yet most important thing that any person can undertake.

It may seem difficult, but what's important is that you don't give up your studies. You've already learned about politics, philosophy and religion, but keep going, there's a lot more. A hell of a lot more. Everyone quits when they get to where you are, because all the information at that point is restricted to really esoteric writings, secret societies, and is generally very difficult and time-consuming to sort through it all, but I promise you and everyone else struggling here that I'm going to make some good, original tech for you guys to use to address this. Until the next lainzine, I suggest that you check out the Psychonaut Field Manual at http://orig09.deviantart.net/f231/f/2015/277/1/5/the_psychonaut_field_manual_third_pdf_edition_by_bluefluke-d8rjuxc.pdf and do some of the exercises, because bluefluke is pretty much the only other person on the internet sorting through all this bull soykaf and trying to make it easily digestible for people. Let his infographics be a jumping-off point, try meditation, invocation, and random belief. It'll help.

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ID: f1d471 No.17208

>>17165
>All of it is fake, shallow, bull soykaf.
All of it is bullsoykaf, most of it is shallow but not that much of it is fake. It might look that way but it's actually 100% authentic shallow bullsoykaf.

>I guess the most concerning thing I've been experiencing is an extreme detachment and alienation from both myself and the world around me

Of all the things you've described, this is the least concerning. Detachment is not a disorder.

>as though I am an empty being observing a hallucination of reality.

You are.

>I float through life without having much in the way of life experiences

Bullsoykaf. You have experiences just like anyone, right now you're experiencing reading this and that's as real and meaningful as any experience.

>hardly remembering what I do from day to day because it's like I'm in a dream

That's because you are in a dream.

>I've found that I am increasingly empty in the roots of my being.

You have been looking in the wrong places, you have found that your mind is empty but that is not the root of what you are. Listen closely to that silence within your mind, there is something beneath it.

>It's as though they're completely ignorant of all of the things I am experiencing

Just mostly, not completely.

>is that I lack the ability to cope with these negative experiences

Shoving your fingers is your ears is a method of coping I suppose, though I don't look down on your for refusing it. To be less of an edgy dick about it, most people do ignore these aspects of life and that's fine, it's as good a way to live as any. You didn't and they're not always easy things to cope with. You're doing fine.

>I don't want to think that I am broken

Then don't. Your mind is empty after all and you are far from broken.

>instead project this brokenness onto the fabric of reality

Well I suppose you had to project something.

>clinging to certain strains of social and individualist anarchist thought, existentialism, and Gnosticism

Good strains, but you're free to let them go. You do not need them and they'll be waiting for you if you ever come back this way.

>I know that probably sounds edgy

If I worried about sounding edgy I'd never open my mouth. Disregard haters, spit truth.

>I try to avoid anything that could shatter whatever is left of my internal world.

No you don't. There's a part of you that does, you've seen that, but there's another part of you that screams that it needs someone to hear it. There's a part of you that insists you lay your internal world bare to a group of strangers, on an imageboard no less. That someone would wander past with a hammer was inevitable and there's a part of you that knew that. Your world is going to shatter, you wouldn't have it any other way, and when it does you are going to see something surprising.

>>17203
This guy knows what's up. Some small things though.

>you can move closer relative to others, and thus become wise

No. That isn't how infinity works, 20 is no closer to infinity than 10. The first step to wisdom is the acknowledgement that you are not wise.

>all the information at that point is restricted to really esoteric writings, secret societies

Bullsoykaf and this is coming from someone who's read those writings and been initiated into those societies. The secrets of reality are written all around us. From the cracks in the pavement, to the currents of the ocean, to the whistling of the wind and the dancing of a candle flame, wisdom is where you find it and you can find it anywhere in that infinite rorschach.

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ID: ce992c No.17213

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>>17166
Here's the book, if anyone wants it.

The md5 checksum is 2709DC22E7D4D739A2DE3C434B29BB85

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ID: 866bc9 No.17219

>>17208
sup bluefluke lol. Good work on chapter 3, I really enjoyed reading it. I spent all of last night trying to do the "blue pearl" exercise, but I couldn't get past overlaying a transparent triangle over my vision for more than a few seconds. Do write something for the lainzine, would you?
>No. That isn't how infinity works, 20 is no closer to infinity than 10. The first step to wisdom is the acknowledgement that you are not wise.
It seems to me like we'd just be splitting hairs over semantics. Everyone has different (often contradictory) ways of approaching and conveying meaning to others, different people resonate with different things, and 20 looks closer to infinity from the 10's point of view. (This mechanic is useful for left-handed workings)

>all the information at that point is restricted to really esoteric writings, secret societies

Bullsoykaf and this is coming from someone who's read those writings and been initiated into those societies. The secrets of reality are written all around us. From the cracks in the pavement, to the currents of the ocean, to the whistling of the wind and the dancing of a candle flame, wisdom is where you find it and you can find it anywhere in that infinite rorschach.
I do agree with you there, the open-source nature of everything, the creative matter and diversity of experience is all around us. I've just found that certain symbolic teachings and constructs have worked well for me, and the Hermetic Qabalah and systems of gematria in particular are such great works from which so many other works seem to derive that I think much of our Western society's locus of wisdom seems to reside within its study. But you're right, I see what you're trying to say, it's not "restricted" per se, just... popular.

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ID: f1d471 No.17222

>>17219
I'm not bluefluke. Just a passing anon.

>It seems to me like we'd just be splitting hairs over semantics.

Yeah, I only went with the more semantic side because it lined up so nicely. That's how the maths works out (sometimes anyway, it gets complicated), they're both an infinity away. The real point was the second sentence. We are nothing special.

>20 looks closer to infinity from the 10's point of view.

This is true, but 20 is really no better than 10. Infinity is coming, you have all the time in the world to smell the roses as you please.

>I've just found that certain symbolic teachings and constructs have worked well for me

For you being the important part. These teachings and symbols are meaningless without you. Without you they are nothing but faded scribbles on old paper.

>I think much of our Western society's locus of wisdom seems to reside within its study.

No. The wisdom exists entirely apart from the study. The truth is the truth regardless of what you use to help you understand it and we can be so resourceful. Lock a man in a room with nothing but a hopscotch drawing on the floor and he will explain the whole world in terms of it.

That said, these systems can be good, I use some of them myself from time to time and even if you've little interest in the more mystical stuff I'd advise anyone to look at them from a philosophical view point. In the earliest days (that we know of i.e. Greek/Egyptian) the two were not considered separate subjects and at the least it's interesting to see what people believed and why.

Also, we do have another good set of systems in our culture, i.e. the sciences.

>it's not "restricted" per se

It's not restricted at all. How could I restrict you from yourself? It's not the inkblot that has the picture within it.

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ID: 79b9e4 No.17229

>>17219
speaking of lainzine articles, how are you doing? think you can send in something to lainzine 3?

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ID: 79b9e4 No.17230

hey OP. it doesn't work for everyone, but when I get that feeling I typically put myself around friends who like the same things I do and talk with them a lot, it helps me feel more connected to the world.

Another way I deal with being depressed is exercise and exploration. The physical exertion makes me feel good and just going for a long walk / run to unknown places in your area can be a pretty meditative, I think. Meditation is another thing. Look into mindfulness especially the book "Mindfulness in Plain English".

Sometimes when I'm feeling bad I find people who I think are interesting and try to learn about them. Not in a creepy way, just by making friends and finding out what they're into.

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ID: 5e2cff No.17246

>>17222
I don't disagree with what you're saying, I'm just sharing my way of seeing and interpreting the world, and a lot of it is grounded in Western esotericism. It is in no way authoritative or the only way of seeing, (as I am against dogmatic systems of control) and I understand that any finite teaching I could produce will be inherently finite and insufficient, due to the inability of language to apprehend such an infinity of subjects and experiences.

Any teaching must be able to describe reality in terms of itself. In doing so, it becomes an affront to infinity, a tautology that could be seen by some as being inherently evil. That's just the way it is, and to lay everything bare is to not provide a structure for teaching at all.

When I say that I think that the "locus of wisdom" seems to exist within esoteric writings, I mean that many of the esoteric symbols exist are shared between common contemporary works, (ie movies, books, music) with such prevalance that to not seek to understand their significance would be to miss out on a large amount of what our culture has to convey.
>>17229
You know it!

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ID: 557a18 No.17340

>I don't want to accept the alternative because it means that the differences between me and other people is that I lack the ability to cope with these negative experiences
Well, there's a second alternative. It's not that you can't cope, and that others can, but more like they remain ignorant to what you see and that's the only way they're able to lead the semblance of a happy life. Basically, ignorance is bliss and that's why others can function.

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ID: 557a18 No.17341

>>17175
>try to find people you can relate to at least a bit.
I'd say this^
One of the few options that doesn't require changing yourself or merely ignoring or blinding yourself to all the things you realize.

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ID: 557a18 No.17342

>>17208
>Detachment is not a disorder.
Agreed. Though it can be painful at times. Very liberating, though slightly different at varying levels of potency. Where the detachment starts to feel physical is where problems arise, that state where your perception of this world is distorted. Between what one might call "ascension" and this world.

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ID: 494a26 No.17347

>>17340
>Basically, ignorance is bliss and that's why others can function.
I try to avoid this way of thinking so that I can't get any thoughts of superiority that I have been prone to in the past.

>>17341
I don't know where, really. I get along well with other Lainons but there aren't any in my area that I am aware of. I do have a Lainchan sticker on my X200, though. Maybe I will meet one of you some day. I'd probably do well in radical groups as well but there isn't much of that where I live.

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ID: 6c96b6 No.17421

I wish I could make a post right now about nihilism and why these feelings of the hopelessness and meaninglessness of our lives aren't necessarily a bad thing, but it's six in the morning and I've been up all night.

Maybe after I'm able to go to bed and come back.

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ID: df7a60 No.17430

>>17165
Damn. You sound like you beed some motivation in your life.
Did something ever truly motivate you, like a hobby, or a sport?

If not, I would suggest that you go and get some sopastone and begin working on it. Make small animals, a tree, a house...
Soon you will find yourself wanting to create larger and larger sculptures. You can achieve a lot on your first day, and even if it looks like a prehistoric figurine of fertility, it is still your work in your hands.

If you are not the art-y type, find another hobby. Working out never hurts.
Oh, and get some sun+fresh air. It triggers your brain to release endorphines and you WILL feel better after a walk in the park.
Enjoy the last drops of sunlight before winter takes it away.

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ID: 9c473c No.17454

>>17203
Where can I find the rest?

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ID: f1f0b0 No.17512

>>17430
Honestly, nothing I've tried motivates me. Reading is kind of a hobby I guess, since I do it of my own volition. I also code a bit but I've been in too much of a fog to do it as a hobby. I played sports as a kid but I've always been too clumsy for that sort of thing. As for sun + fresh air: I am sort of forced to go outside and walk places since I am currently in a dorm room. Maybe I do feel objectively better when I am out in the sun, but frankly whatever benefits there are are marginal at best, and certainly aren't noticeable. Maybe I'm not trying the right things. I have no idea.

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ID: d9239d No.17538

We are meant to exist

This life is not our intended abode, we live forever in the next life, either in Paradise or in Fire

Read the Qur'an.

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ID: 7e7e0a No.17721

>>17421
you could write it for the zine if it was sufficiently polished enough

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ID: f1f0b0 No.17747

>>17721
Not him, but I've considered writing on similar topics. I'm pretty well-versed in anarchism, existentialism, etc.

I've also considered writing an intro to old-school D&D or something along those lines. Not sure if Lains would like that though.

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ID: 52dace No.17750

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>>17165
Damn OP, you literally just described what I've been going through for years. The thought patterns, behaviors and emotional experiences you describe are identical to my own.

Not long ago, I was diagnosed with clinical depression and prescribed antidepressants. They didn't do shit, other than dull my mind to the point where everything became so mundane that I stopped caring about anything and everything, including my own problems. After a month or so I realized I'd rather have a chaotic mind operating at 100% than a dull mind that only served to make social encounters more tolerable. I quit the antidepressants cold-turkey and indulged in any and all knowledge I could find. If anything I became more antisocial than ever, seeing how I'm completely content to be alone now. However, re-discovering the simple love of learning things gave me at least one enjoyable experience again, which was enough to reinvigorate my life and give me a direction to take it. I'm not going to pretend everything is perfect, because it's definitely not, but it's so much better than I ever thought it could be. Don't give up, OP.

I definitely don't recommend stopping medications suddenly like I did, but I would try and focus on finding something you love, whether it's something you love doing or just a particular concept that's enjoyable to think about, anything that you consider somewhat valuable or precious, then shaping your life around it. Above all else, don't forget that you are not alone in thinking/feeling the way you do. As cliché as that sounds, at least know that your post moved me. This is the first time I've seen someone else describe my own experiences so elegantly. Reading it released some residual emotions I didn't realize I still had. Thank you for that.

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ID: b61aaf No.17751

>>17538
>fucking up Gnosticism this bad

I almost feel bad for the fanatifags.

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ID: c12c5e No.17752

>>17747
yes do it all.

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ID: 9f2047 No.17754

Just keep humming. If you haven't realized, this is more common among "humans" than you may expect.

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ID: 3f2bcb No.17759

>>17165
Where do you live, OP?

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ID: f1f0b0 No.17760

>>17759
Southeastern U.S.

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ID: da2819 No.17761

>>17192
OP I read your post and I almost cried because of how accurate it was. Please I know this is a lot to ask but then I read this reply and I realized that soykaf we are so similar. I too was just diagnosed and discharged from the local psychiatric hospital and am about to start outpatient care except that I had to take a mental leave from university.
OP is there anyway you can cast away your anonymity for me babe <3 please contact me for gods sake god damn.

And for the rest of you, thank you so much for giving such thorough answers as soon as I found this thread like just its very existence made me feel just that much better this hour. I will read everything thoroughly too if I can garner the attention necessary.

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ID: e39415 No.17795

>>17761
Skype, email, or tox okay?

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ID: e11d90 No.17796

>>17347
>I try to avoid this way of thinking so that I can't get any thoughts of superiority that I have been prone to in the past.

Being that ignorance at times is basically equivalent to happiness for some, choosing not to be ignorant can be viewed as a poor decision and inferior.

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ID: da2819 No.17818

>>17795
my email is in the email field and then we can go from there *_*



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