q - questions and complaints

Because /pol/ is invasive cancer.

because /pol/ is like reddit but with conspiracies instead of memes

>>7708
>>7707
I was not talking about /pol/ politically incorrect, but a board only discussions of political theories.

People get worked up about politics, the soykaf is inevitable without constant policing.

>>7709
because that would descent to soykaf flinging over night

>>7707
>>7708
>>7710
>>7711
Okay, it's true.

Kalyx and co. are lazy. They'd rather discourage politics in general than clean up any brewing soykaf that could emerge from political discussion.

Also, no science/math+TeX board is like kicking dead whales down the beach as well.

Basically this place is just /g/ Lite, not a complete imageboard.

>>7713
>Basically this place is just /g/ Lite, not a complete imageboard.
I think it's better that way, if you're looking for "the full imageboard experience" there are plenty places to go for that and this doesn't need to be one of them.

Pol is poison that invariably brings arguing and soykaf flinging from all sides.


Rather than discuss, say making a program, youd have every user trying to outdo each other by telling you how Linux is infiltrated by the jews, how java is a government funded program to destroy sentient life and how your software of choice is going to kill you in your sleep.

It's just a shitshow and if pol is ever introduced I'll flat out leave. Ive had THREE imagebaords that were great be infected by it and damned if I'll have a fourth.

>>7714
Yes, I realized that,I frequent to 2 months, lainchan is a imageboard only for cyberpunks even so is good.

>>7714
>>7713
>>7716
No offense, but you guys are retards. There's no such thing as a "full imageboard".

You're used to 4chan and all the rest where they usually have a little bit of everything. Most of which you don't use.

Look at 420chan or operatorchan, yeah they're total niches but they are imageboards nonetheless.

>>7714
We can still remain a cypherpunk imageboard even if we introduce politics and science boards. After all, the genre is grounded deeply in politics (anti-corporatism, anarchism), and without mathematics there would be no technology at all.

Those subjects are very relevant to /cyb/ and are popular enough to warrant their own sections tbh.

Do any of you guys remember way back when /so/ was a thing? Do you remember how terrible it was? And this was when lainchan was much smaller and slower than it is today.

I don't forsee a politics board going very well.

>>7713
what do you mean by that? IMO the less /g/ the betterr

>>7720
most threads here feel /g/-like but with less traffic

>>7721
dang, really? I thought we were better than that. do you have examples?

>>7713
Daily reminder that math is allowed on /lam/, and that for new boards to be added there have to be SUCCESSFUL threads about the subject on /r/.

We tried it before and we might try it again but not now and not soon.

This is an anti-fascist imageboard.

>>7717
>>7717
I do not I attend 4chan except to get news in inches. I ask because the user base of lainchan is very good and thought it would good discussions.

>>7729
And you can have discussion so long as they pertain to the overall theme which is about computers. Hell, you even get a few token boards like sleep and drugs.

Fact is, every time you start adding boards you fracture the userbase that much more.

When you add something like pol(because of its inherent vitriolic nature) not only do you fracture the board you begin to corrupt the mindset of the users. They start arguments on pol that become extremely heated and as they get used to Lainchan(or whatever imageboard they're at) being a place that is okay with the soykaf flinging it inevitably spills over.

I don't make any decisions or whatever on this site but I don't want /pol/ or any iteration of it here.

As for the good discussion and good users its that way because

1. computers are the topic of specialty
2. the users are encouraged to be open minded(something that pol stamps out)
3. there is a sense of community here (something that pol also squashes, other things being tripfags, drama, and too many damn boards like 8ch/99chan)

It's funny, you come here for the userbase and the discussions yet you try to inject possibly the most poisonous thing to come out of imageboards.

The unironic /pol/ 'NatSocs' are fuarrrking ridiculous, especially if they're non-German. The Nazis had cool aesthetics and weapons, and that's about it.

>Hitler was an aspiring artist, he wuz a good boy
>Germany dindu nuffins
>the j00s, the man keeps us down
>muh cultah, muh ansient roots, muh runes
>we wuz kings and sheeit b4 the ebil j00 enslaved us
>muh degeneracy - HARAM!

Too fuarrrking cancerous to have any self awareness of what their 'arguments' look like.

>>7730
I agree with most of your post but
>And you can have discussion so long as they pertain to the overall theme which is about computers.
the overall theme isn't about computers
>Hell, you even get a few token boards like sleep and drugs.
/lit/, /drg/ and /zzz/ are among the oldest boards on lainchan

lainchan is not a second /g/

>>7724
I can provide another way to introduce /pol/, see >>>/λ/11235. I think that good moderators are people who have done good moderation.
Anyway, moderation of /pol/ is really a heavy work, so you should try to utilize wisdom of posters. In our 2ch.net, ID is valid during 24 hours in SITE-WIDE, so we can search what they are saying in other threads. Ban should be issued not to a post but to a poster, because retarded poster or troller are always derailing threads whatever its topics are. And such a guy usually made inordinate number of posts, so we can find people who should be ignored easily, though 2ch.net never issues BAN to such posters. In other word, 2ch.net try to provide information about posters as much as possible and they put moderation works to each poster instead of eliminating them by moderators. This works well when people are used to ignore bad posters by themselves. Free speech is guaranteed though retarded posts are ignored always. I think this is the best solution, however, I know this system doesn't fit for you now, because people in chans aren't used to ignore retards because of good moderation which have been provided so far. 2ch.net haven't done any moderation, so people must get used to NO moderation, and all survivors got used, people who couldn't get used had left.

BTW, we don't eat such a thing at BBQ.
And, I want to know your calendar of update if you have, I'm writing a user script.

>>7730
This chan is not a computer chan, tech and lambda were afterthoughts.

>>7735
You guys started out on /g/, though. This place is as much technology as it is cyberpunk.

>>7735
>lambda
and what a wonderful afterthought it is.

All that would do is give the fascists a platform to colonize a part of lainchan. As much as I'd like for lainchan to just take a stand already for anti-reactionary ideologies on the *chans It'd be cool if lainchan joined the USSC but I know that'll never happen, and I'm not sure it should, reactionary ideology with a thick shell of ignorance and mob mentality is pretty strong on the *chans right now and people already know about the general political views of lainons (and tend to react to it with your typical hyperbolic MUH EBIL GOMMIE TOTALITARIANS WANT TEH GUBMINT TO TAKE MUH MONEIS).

Lainchan may be unique on most *chans for generally having quality discussion, and having mods that aren't either MIA or little glitterboys on a powertrip, but no amount of rational discussion and banning blatant nonfat-soykaf drinker s is going to save you.

I've seen how the reactionaries operate on *chans. The most common tactics will be brute force: Endless shitposts and bait threads and attempts to derail any discussion whatsoever that isn't about their politics. In these cases, it is completely useless to try to argue with them on a rational basis because they've already presumed an irrational discussion that is meant to be disruptive - which is pretty much entirely what their ideology is. Reactionary ideology is nothing but a coat of spooky nonsense meant to cover up the interests of the ruling class by pitting the working class against itself, and the minute you give any platform to their position as equals, you've practically already lost.

Second and less used but far more damaging is false flagging and promoting a false consensus. Anonymous *chans are particularly vulnerable to this. The danger here is that the reactionaries have the numbers to overrun lainchan, so if they decided to do so they could easily just start posting threads and replies affirming that lainchan is a fascist imageboard and that cyberpunk is fascist or some other brand of reactionary ideology. They learn enough of your memes and culture to give a thin appearance of being one of you, and then use this to convince the weaker or newer members that the *chan they're invading has a consensus on a certain view. The newer ones will agree to fit in usually, and eventually the tables get turned on whoever has been here long enough to know that people are trying to invade the *chan. You end up sounding like a crazy paranoid person if you try to say otherwise, because sanity is a question of consensus.

If lainchan wants to stay as a quality cyberpunk *chan, with some occasional discussion on anti-reactionary ideologies, it's probably for the best to remain officially neutral and try to be noticed as little as possible - but also militantly sage and report any random brewing soykaf /pol/yps and ignore the ones who actually take the time to post their rhetoric.

>>7747
I'm hesitant to call /pol/ "reactionary" (it's something of a buzzword these days, and most people there are just contrarians). I also don't think lainchan's admins (or even lainchan as a whole) should adopt any particular political leaning because it might make people who disagree with that leaning feel unwelcome.

That said, I am not in favor of adding a /pol/ board because, as you say, it really just attracts brewing soykaf and people being angry at each other. People shouldn't be pushed out because of their opinions (whatever those might be), they ought to be pushed out only if they act like buffoons, which /pol/ certainly does.

I really think a /pol/ board on lainchan would end up looking a lot like 8ch.net/leftypol/, rather than WN memesters.

>>7747
How can you be so blind as to see that the ruling classes are working to keep people fighting amongst themselves and then happily go to fight the reactionaries because they're tools of the ruling class? You must see that so long as you continue to fight amongst yourselves like this so are you. Put aside your fear. You know who your enemies are and it's not people on imageboards with differing political views.

>>7748
I agree that having lainchan take any particular official political stance (even if at this point it'd just reifying what's already pretty much a general consensus and what everyone already thinks of us) may not be a good idea, even if in my own personal political agenda I would like it due to the proliferation of reactionary ideology on the *chans the past few years.

It might be better to try to remain officially neutral and try not to attract nonfat-soykaf drinker s with political bullshit, but like it or not, everything is political.

>>7751
Reactionary proles are the useful idiotarians of the ruling class. Their ideology itself exists to divide the working class on the basis of race (Nazism), nationality (fascism in general), gender/sex (liberalism), or religion (conservatism) - broadly speaking, at least.

I agree with you that brewing soykaf on anonymous chinese shadow puppetry colloquiums about politics isn't that politically important, but if any sort of political action is taking place there are going to be reactionaries reacting against it (hence the name) by siding with the ruling class. That's why they're a problem.

Moreover, they're a problem on *chans because *chans are some of the few places left on the clearnet where user freedom is still generally respected. Perhaps I'm making too much out of it, but in my belief it is a great danger to free speech (much as I've come to loathe this meaningless meme term) to continue to let cancerous brewing soykaf reactionary ideologues infest the few places left on the clearnet with generally unrestricted discourse that also tend to have a good balance of usership and quality posts (on the smaller *chans at least).

>>7749
Yes but the problem with that is that 8/leftypol/ attracts a lot of /pol/yp nonfat-soykaf drinker s - which is why I would be a little worried about having a politics board here. Otherwise I'd be all for that.