lit - literature

>>1162
email junk0@openmailbox.org
>>1160
I agree - other formats would be cool. feel free to do it.
>>1164
yes

>>1168
yes it has pictures
ads will be in a future release

>>1171
>we did it
they did it

I did it

The first one is amazing. Thank you so much for this. I will be thoroughly reading it tonight and I will start thinking about my submission.

I’ve read it.
Typeset isn’t unified and some articles look great and some are horror. Some paragraphs have first line indentation, some do not. Do you guys use styles to bring typeset in order? Some articles imply British English style with single quotes, others the American style. Strangely enough, the former tend to look better. Lots of mistakes in ‘FreeBSD for dummies’ is a shame. Did anybody read it before including!?

Now about articles.

> introduction to cryptography
is interesting. Will look forward to the next part.

> FreeBSD for dummies
> If you have under 4gigs of RAM the go with x86, 4gigs or more then go with x64.
Seriously? FreeBSD doesn’t have PAE? I think that if you’re not restrained in your choice (I mean if you aren’t bound to some programs that exist only in x86 or x86_64 variant, or have hardware short on RAM) it’s only a matter of preference.
> Shell, i.e. Bash, CSH, KSH, etc.
Omitting a frown on uppercased csh and ksh, why are they dead and mentioned, and dash and zsh aren’t?
> Unix concepts – i.e., everything is a file, soykaf
like this
Till this line it was a good magazine.
> If you have never messed around with Unix like
OS’s before
There should be a hyphen or indefinite article.
> this lack of commas
What really is a mess, is what I am reading now.
> pick something like Ubuntu and learn the Unix basics
> Ooboontu
> for learning anything
Why.jpg
Why not Fefora, Debian, Xubuntu at last? Why FreeBSD and not OpenBSD?
> First boot
> Press Enter and go through the basic installer (it is pretty fuarrrking easy).
Did I just read a placeholder?
> If you can't navigate through that then you shouldn’t be reading this
Lainzine. We make you look like soykaf.
> 2015
> hald


> structure-based ASCII-art
has very interesting pictures. No, I couldn’t bring myself to read the entire thing.

Anyway, that was a great job and I feel like writing an article about practical use of cryptography myself.

>>1186
Also it looks strange to me, that quotes included in hanging punctuation, and parentheses are not.

>>1186
The typography is, of course, far from perfect. It's something we're still working on.

>Some paragraphs have first line indentation, some do not.
That's an American thing.

>Did anybody read it before including!?
No. There's only four of us and we have our families and daily jobs. Fortunately, not everyone here is a NEET with all the time in the world in their hands. We do this in our free time and none of us are experts in editing or graphic design, so there's that.

Volunteers are welcome.

T-thanks anyway, I g-guess.

>>1188
> The typography is, of course, far from perfect.
No, it’s good. I’ve seen another magazine that came out last month, and lainchan’s work is far superior to it. I even wondered ‘Do they use ~~scribus,~~ latex or some other fine typesetting software?’ Because muh ligatures and stuff.

>>1188
> No. There's only four of us and we have our families and daily jobs.
But why? There’s no deadline for lainzine, isn’t it? There’s only a certain amount of material too be prepared for a particular issue. Some can be left for later (next month), if it’s so needed to keep up the speed of one issue per month.
> Fortunately, not everyone here is a NEET with all the time in the world in their hands.
What would you know about being a NEET? It’s a constant fight with anxieties and fear of becoming an immovable bubble of fat, I am awake 18-20 hours in a row and sleep only 4–6 hours, this kills my immune system, add to this the rest of the fruits sedentary lifestyle brings to you and you get this living nightmare, when you feel like you’re about to pop your clogs almost every second day you have to walk a mile.
Hence to be at least somewhat glad with your own life and not call it just an existence one has to show some self organization. You think all NEETs play MMORPGs all day long, eat, soykaf and sleep? I’d die if I wouldn’t exercise 0,5–2 hours every day, spend a large amount of time learning lots of various things to respond to a higher number of vacancies only to find out that, though the interview went well and I am such a nice guy to talk to, they’ve already hired someone a bit more skilled than me.
> Volunteers are welcome.
I am not a native English speaker, so I’m among the least qualified people to be a grammar nazi for your magazine. Checking English grammar for each case will bump my skills to the new heights, but I’m not going to spend my entire time for it, thanks.
I could try to make a conference in teamviewer to show how to write such PDFs like LainZine in libreoffice writer, but I’m afraid that my spoken English skills will make it twice as long as it should be, because I’ll be constantly correcting myself, and there are manuals in the internet, reading which would give the same result faster.
Though if you insist on my contribution, I could try. But even if I’ll be up to it, I’ll have to arrange the material for these lessons.

>>1191
> peeping_tom here
Oh, hi.
> would you like to collaborate with me about this?
Er… I’m not against that, but what I’ve written so far is already four A4 pages, that’s only a half and severely shortened. It is about what can be automated with GnuPG after you set it up to make programs keep their data on the drive encrypted.
> I will write next chapter on math/theory of cryptography and then I might go into programming implementation.
Well, if I can be of any help with something… But all my skills in programming are rusty except for shell-scripting. Are you in the IRC room?

>>1193
> run the written text through word counter that gives me better idea of how big
1966 words, 11748 characters.
I will probably replace thorough explanations with the higher requirements for the reader, it will make the article much shorter.
> studying right now, will be there in 6-7 days
Days? I just wanted to discuss how/if we can collaborate.

>>1195
Sent you a letter. inb4 objections about domain.

>>1190
>What would you know about being a NEET? It’s a constant fight with anxieties and fear of becoming an immovable bubble of fat, I am awake 18-20 hours in a row and sleep only 4–6 hours, this kills my immune system, add to this the rest of the fruits sedentary lifestyle brings to you and you get this living nightmare, when you feel like you’re about to pop your clogs almost every second day you have to walk a mile.
Made me chuckle, thanks.
>I am not a native English speaker
Neither am I. However, each additional pair of eyes is for the better. Hit our editor, junk0@openmailbox.org, if you have some free time and are interested in improving the world.

>>1197
> Made me chuckle, thanks.
Feel free to call 8-800-2015-NEETBRIGADE anytime.
> each additional pair of eyes is for the better.
Will saying ‘that’s bad’ and ‘that’s bad’ do? Editing articles I am not interested in, isn’t fun. As far as I am into typesetting, it’s hopeless to automate the process, you’ll have to retype all the text because replacements you use will work only on specified patterns and you can’t hope that all people will send their texts in some unique format. You can’t even hope that they close quotes properly.

>>1198
>Will saying ‘that’s bad’ and ‘that’s bad’ do?
Yes.
>you can’t hope that all people will send their texts in some unique format
We're considering requiring Markdown for future submissions.

>>1199
> Yes.
Well, fine.
> We're considering requiring Markdown for future submissions.
Markdown is one step forward, but it isn’t made for typesetting. Forcing everybody send their articles in TeX seems unfeasible to me, and this leaves editors with lots of work.

>>1200
Markdown is easily convertible to LaTeX, HTML, and many other formats through Pandoc.

>>1201
Also, it's easy to write and read, which is most important.

>>1201
> Markdown is easily convertible to LaTeX, HTML
Markdown doesn’t have a 100-th part of what LaTeX affords.

>>1202
> Also, it's easy to write and read, which is most important.
No, most important is that with markdown you can’t send an ODF typeset with 72 point.

>>1203
r u high m8?
http://pandoc.org/

>>1205
Seriously, I have no idea what your problem is right now.

>>1206
> Seriously, I have no idea what your problem is right now.
Dumb people.
While Markdown is a common base syntax of extensions vary.

>>1207
*ies.

>>1207
Doesn't matter. Still, I don't see your point.

>>1209
> Doesn't matter. Still, I don't see your point.
What are you, 16?

>>1210
Are you sure you're in the right thread?

okay, this thread has outlived its usefulness so I'm unsticking it. stay tuned for edition 2!

>>1200
Why not just have them send an rtf or latex file? Let an editor compile everything together.

>>1201
>>1204
>>1206
Saying you can convert markdown to latex is like saying you can convert png to webm.

>>1225
>Saying you can convert markdown to latex is like saying you can convert png to webm.
I know, but what's the problem with that? People submit Markdown, we convert to LaTeX, throw some nice styles at it, generated nicely set PDFs. We can also convert it to HTML, mix it with some CSS and again have another format to publish.

we should have a date every month when its released so we know when to get our submissions in by. Also itd be a nice thing to look forward to every month.

off topic but, anyone know anything about the stream? is that ded?

>>1229
muhstream.weebly.com

would anyone here be interested in a printed version of lainzine? I know a place who could do it rather cheap, about $15 or so a piece, and maybe $5 shipping worldwide.
we'd have to get at least 25 people interested if we'd do it through them, and this is all hypothetical.

>>1817
(typesetter here) That'd be awesome. $15 seems a bit much for 30-something pages, though. Not that much, really, I'd be willing to throw that out for at least one piece.

While we're at this, has anyone printed the first issue and has pictures to post?

>>1818
I printed the first issue out for my own use. Just used normal printer paper, then put a clip to hold it. Can't double print, due to ink. Also, I looked a bit at it, and hypothetically you could get it for $15 with free ship. wouldn't turn any profit though. any profit that would be gained would go to the site.

Also, the design that I was using was a bit advanced, and is somewhat akin to a program you would get at a sports game, where the cover is think paperback, and is resistant to bending. Would also go great on a bookshelf. All hypothetical.

>>1819
I would honestly buy it tbh

>>1821
only if we had 22 more people...

>>1822

Why not ebay it and create a link up the top to buy a copy? You might get 5 or 10 people buying it or 50, who knows?

>>1819
It would be awesome to get it printed on some stiffer paper like actual magazines, but the flimsy paper + clip add to the DIY feel of this site I guess

What was with the quality control on this zine? Some of the articles were fantastic (ascii art, glitch art) and others were embarrassing to read (BSD guide, "hacking")

Seriously, I know it is like kicking dead whales down the beach to turn down eager contributors, but some of the articles in here are a joke.

>>1826
IANAE, but you're more than welcome to write and submit a good article yourself.

>>1823
the thing is, I wouldn't want to end up losing my own money. the min amount of mags you can get professionally done is 25 usually, and at ten bucks a piece cost, I would have to put down 250 dollars. I don't have that type of cash right now.

>>1826
some of the articles are alright, some aren't. the mag is just barely getting articles. another site called abandonware.com only has had 3 magazines in 7 years. that's a very small amount. we need more quality articles. I myself write pretty good work, but I'm more of a person who can write and analyze things, not DIY stuff like we had. I could do an in-depth article on some movies, anime, or other media. Maybe I should start with blade runner?

>>1826
I'm curious. What did you think about the Recommended Reading?

>>1836
bladerunners a great one to start with. Ill be looking forward to read this

>>1836
you could draw some similarities from Serial Experiments Lain and Bladerunner too

>>1838
>>1839
starting writing now, should be completed in a little bit! I'll submit it when it's done.
I think I could draw some similarity in a later analysis of Lain, as normally when you do analysis you mostly focus on the inspirations, Oddly, it's turning a bit out like a review, which I'm not sure if that's the best direction.

Just finished the first issue
Cool stuff, though I'm not into programming and mostly write fiction
I have a discombobulated body of work that I think I can harvest
Yes it's related to this chan's interests

>>1842
do so and submit it to Junk0@opmbx.org and tilde@opmbx.org