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 No.1448

How many of you have some kind of career in literature/journalism/writing?
I'm just curious on how many of us are non STEM majors, which I feel is the overwhelming majority on lainchan.
What do you study/do and how do you feel about it in a world that is becoming more and more STEM focused and letting humanities fall by the wayside?
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 No.1449

It's no career but I've done writing for some news sites - I'm probably going to double major with something STEM and something english

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 No.1452

I'm non-STEM. I did finish my degree, but half-way through I was already starting to doubt my decision.

>have some kind of career


Good one.

What might be a little useful is that I have seen a number of "SJW" things pop up around campus and so in the future I will know how to tip around some toes. Unfortunately, I am still a worthless neet who lurks on 4chan /lit/ and hates pretty much everything, a condition that is not conducive to successful tumblr pandering for fat stacks of cash.

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 No.1453

I've done some columns on newspapers in my native language, but nothing beyond that.

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 No.1454

>>1452
is it really that bad?
i'm still in undergrad, STEM stuff isn't really that interesting to me besides Computer Science and the career based on CS while lucrative doesn't really interest me

why not be a teacher or something?
I'm an English major so far and I'm probably going to work in journalism until I get a doctorate to teach at university level

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 No.1459

>>1454
I forgot to mention I'm European. Conditions are rather complicated around here.

If you managed to get into a good uni then go for it.

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 No.1465

>>1452
What kind of things?

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 No.1475

>>1465
You end up meeting people who absolutely believe in the patriarchy and that gender is a social construct which might as well be abolished. But then, am I implicitly suggesting that the people I meet in real life are the same as the angry mobs I hear about on the internet? Perhaps that is unfair. So I still go on here, on lainchan, and perpetuate the tumblr/SJW boogieman. Am I just biased thanks to 4chan, or bitter about the humanities in general?

Is there sufficient reason to be concerned? To believe in the patriarchy, or gender as a social construct, exactly as described in some model in the humanities, requires a certain amount of faith. You will have been influenced not by hard empirical observations but by some politicized and rather obscurantist piece of writing. This faith is also going to be influenced by one's identity and so it will be a touchy issue. More specifically, when you identify in a certain way, you will believe not just that there is a great deal of injustice in the world against this type of identity, but that you, personally, have been wronged. You might start to believe that you deserve some kind of revenge, and that this vengeance would not just be completely justified but done in the name of progress, bringing us just a little bit closer to utopia.

So nothing, really. No kind of things. I'm just bitter, because I didn't go into STEM.

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 No.1476

>>1475
I think it's a combination - *chans tend to give people a pro-stem, social conservative bias that's against academia and the social sciences.

on the other hand, tumblr tends to make people more socially liberal, but that depends on who you follow. I'm glad you recognized the SJW boogeyman

I don't think the people you meet at uni are the same as the angry mobs online - at the very least they act differently so they might as well be different people. Those people online are also extreme cases that banded together, there probably aren't more than 2 or 3 in the same place irl

I would say don't even bring up SJWs on lainchan - it's one of those loaded phrases that we should just ignore completely, otherwise we're going to attract undesirables

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 No.1479

Man I have no god damn idea what to major in or what I want to do for a career

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 No.1480

>>1479
well, those two things really have nothing to do with each other

sure it would be a good idea to major in what you plan on doing for a career but really the major doesn't matter after your first job

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 No.1481

>>1480
With constant pressure to do something in STEM (but the right one!) , threats of unemployment and debt.
I have interests in both STEM and humanities

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 No.1482

>>1448
what major do i pick if i have no opinion on anything

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 No.1483

>>1482
general studies until its time to choose.

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 No.1485

>>1483
aalready did that for 2 years
its time tochoose

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 No.1496

>>1479
Balance would be nice. I think a lot of people (especially on chans) are starting to neglect the idea that you need charisma and speaking skills to get ahead in life. You don't have to go into the humanities and write poetry all day, but it still helps to not be this shut-in who can't persuade, can't negotiate and can't communicate unless it's all done in machine code.

These social media (the zany, backstreet parts) seem to be shaping up into two camps where one side is all "no, must go in STEM, all problems are solved by throwing more calculations at them. You don't have a degree in astrophysics? lol fuarrrk off retard" while the other side goes "holy soykaf the tech industry is full of creepy white nerds! We need more people to become social science weenies and go into the humanities instead of into the tech industry so we can study this gender gap and bitch and moan on the sidelines of the tech industry and if you disagree with me then you support the patriarchy!"

It's lame as hell but you have to find some kind of balance, between coding robot who browses 8chan to laugh at people getting doxxed, and romantic, overzealous sophist with a humanities degree.

What I'm saying is, just become a ruthless investment banker with a silver tongue and worry about other soykaf later.

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 No.1497

>>1496
> just become a ruthless investment banker
I don't recall, who was that Robert Putney Drake fellow from the Illuminatus! novel.
Always liked him for some reason.
>>1479
You are not alone in that.
I'm thinking about something that I won't hate too much and that would keep me fed. Until I can find the means to retire early and spend days doing nothing but drinking Earl Grey tea I'm obviously facetious here but there's a certain hint of truth in this statement.

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 No.1505

>>1497
iirc he was a crime lord who got eaten by a monster for switching allegiance
I can't remember what allegiance or what part of the story this was however

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 No.1510

>>1475
No, people in American universities definitely are as you see on the net. PC hysteria is definitely real, but it's easy to ignore as long as you're not taking liberal arts, you just have to have a list of words to know not to say and sentiments not to express.

When a 'politically-minded' person starts ranting for social points, you just nod and be polite - exactly like how you would any other religious nut.

But it's awful if you're in liberal arts, especially as an undergraduate. Only the dumbest professors actually buy into that soykaf wholesale, academic feminism had completely lost all value by the end of the 90s, but they're still highly pressured towards politicization.

Which is the reason why I dropped out. If professors are forced to hold off on an actual cirriculum until graduate school because the student body is adamant about their irrelevant shallow pop theories, why not pursue a degree that would at least increase my market value with 4 years of non-education? I still keep in touch with kids from the lib-arts department, and I'm still very much far more well read than almost all the undergrads, and fully familiar with and adept with the stuff that comes up in their syllabi only from personal interest reading. The state of american education is pathetic and I know that Europe is worse in its own way in all but the best unis, who are happy to follow blindly down the our path.

Forget the 20th "girl rapes drunk boyfriend. Boyfriend gets expelled from school as per policy" etc. story, did you hear about the entire fist year MFA class of USC dropping out? SJW is just a symptom of the real some heavy ice - neoliberalist administration.

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 No.1511

>>1481
>>1496
See Harvey Mudd College's emphasis on a healthy degree of humanities within the curriculum for every STEM major. They're the top performing technical university in America, in terms of future income, Nobel Prize laureates, overall patents, etc.

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 No.1514

>>1510
I believe Europe still has a couple of years left before the real browbeating attitude spreads across the Atlantic.

It's sad, but what you say seems to be true: it's a new religion. You're supposed to nod along politely when people talk about gender etc because you never know if one of them is a zealot, obsessed with punishment and revenge because they designed their identity around being a victim.

People who don't go to college don't see it coming.

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 No.1558

>>1510
>neoliberalist administration
aye, I haven't been to college yet and I tend to see the "PC hysteria" as a strawman, but I definitely agree with you on where the real problem is.

We stick to this widening dichotomy of STEM vs humanities because it's become profitable to underfund students and we're left with an inadequate education that confuses us from focusing on the real problems

it's a cycle really

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 No.1888

I study journalism, actually I'm currently in class but to be honest I'm not that interested in it anymore the academia with a few exceptions is filled with old guard people that are way too dogmatic about classic journalism and the media is pants on head retarded or is corrupted to dystopian levels of absurdity.

I have used computers since I was a kid and my friends and family where shocked when I choose something related to the humanities instead of something on engineering. But I explained that I didn't need to study something on STEM to get good with computers and even so going to my local university only turn me in to some corporate drone that can only work on a factory with no opportunity of growth.

While studying something in the humanities allowed me to get experience in something that I didn't know and get contacts in diverse fields allowing me entrance in to different political groups that lack the knowledge in the use of technology. I also learned things like philosophy, political systems, law, media production and writing.

It was worth it all in all, is just that at the end of my college studies I find that a lot of the courses are redundant and unnecessary, at least for me because I could just take a book and self study.

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 No.1892

>>1558
> I haven't been to college yet and I tend to see the "PC hysteria" as a strawman

It's not.
http://www.thefire.org/us-universities-education-or-indoctrination/

This site has a resource for looking up colleges to see how insanely PC or not they are.

If nothing else read/watch this one about the University of Delaware.
http://thefire.org/article/9865.html
> Please Report to Your Resident Assistant to Discuss Your Sexual Identity–It’s Mandatory!

If that's a strawman, then the entire world is made of straw.

Check these vid out if you want to know what's really going wrong with western education & society:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhugUzUuPkE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

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 No.1897

I majored in English and Music Performance in college. Looking back, going to college was foolish of me since I have to live a certain way now to avoid paying back my debts.
I should have just went on to write more fiction and music instead of waste my time in university.
I do nothing professionally related to what I studied unless you count the occasional paying wedding gig I play or guitar lessons I give. I work a graveyard shift job at a warehouse which pays decent and gives a lot of vacation days so I can't be super mad, though.

As for your last question, OP, I feel like people will always have need of the humanities, art and all of that but those who will do them will be those who are inspired to do it on their own rather than randomly picking a liberal arts major in college for nebulous reasons like "I enjoy reading and write a bit..."

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 No.1898

>>1892
Don't want to go all /pol/ on you, but the whole Cultural Marxism angle has been done to death and frankly lacks so much evidence that these days i consider it only an ad hoc explanation for the uprising of this neopuritan cult.

It's awfully tempting to blame the devolution of the left into this totalitarian bunch on the communists (because it indeed was their fault the last time) but political correctness is, in its effects a primarily American phenomenon which is leaking into Europe, even though Europe itself has had leftist tendencies during and after the Cold War on a much larger scale than the supposedly subverted US of A.

To be honest, i don't know the cause, i sought the testimonies of American teachers through the seventies and eighties and while they all told me more or less the same thing, there was no way for me to pinpoint what this cultural phenomenon was caused by.

In the end, I'll be the clueless one and guess that it's just the zeitgeist of the 21st century, but I'm fairly certain that it's not the fault of the commies this time (even if they indeed tried).

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 No.1910

>>1898
I've seen it theorized elsewhere that this super PC browbeating is being silently encouraged by corporations because they want women to feel safe online. women need to consume more tech products and throw privacy to the wind to facilitate data mining. to keep this trend going, some safeguards need to be installed across mainstream social media to protect these new consumers from trolls and hackers.

in addition, I'm going to have to assume that humanities departments are neglecting critical thinking skills in their students. they will lower the bar and just open their doors for everyone for no other reason than to make a bigger profit.

so to me, it rather looks like capitalism is to blame, not commies.

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 No.1911

>>1910
>super PC browbeating is being silently encouraged by corporations because they want women to feel safe online.
Nearly. It's not because they want women to feel safe online, that's just the excuse. If you look at the statistics we're generally shown you'll notice that they are over exaggerated in the usual subtle statistics manner. That's not to say there aren't problems, there are real problems and that's why it makes the perfect excuse. Whatever it is you want to do you can almost always find a real problem that you can blow out of proportion to justify it (I'm looking at you terrorism).

If we look closer at the statistics we can see some shenanigans. A lot of the time you'll see graphs on how safe women feel online, but this isn't really a great metric. Hell the more times you show people a graph saying not many women feel safe the less women will feel safe. There are also a lot of graphs that in one way or another show the well know (to us anyway) fact that people on the internet aren't winning any awards for hospitality, though obviously it has a women focused spin on it. Of course, on top of this is, and often in the same image, you have the actual, genuine statistics that really do look bad and aren't just a trick. Like I say there are problems, but they're also being blown out of proportion.

There is also a mindset at work here, which shouldn't really be ignored. The good old "SJWs". They're good people and I'm happy to count a few among my friends. Most of them I basically agree with, we just have different ideas of which statistics are "true". Some of them I have ideological differences with, to them things like blowing statistics out of proportion are justified because the problems are serious enough. That's ok. I'm fine with ideological differences. Of course I'll argue against it and point out the flaws in the statistics, but that's just fair play on both sides.

>assume that humanities departments are neglecting critical thinking skills in their students

Academia has played a part in this, but then so has politics and the media, including social media. This isn't unusual. It's a big thing at the moment and everybody is just trying to get their slice. As such there's all sorts going on here. You have people who know don't really know the extent of the problem but just want to help. You've got people who really do know the extent of the problem and just want to help. You've got people who want to make as much money as possible, same as in any situation where there's money to be made and you've got a whole host of people using it however they can to get whatever they want. More data-mining is an example of this.

I have a theory that the data mining people are hoping to use this to end anonymity online. This is 100% in order to keep everyone nice and safe from the cowardly trolls who hide their identities you understand. VPNs and other methods will be derezzed or otherwise controlled. Of course this won't be fully effective but we have to do everything we can to stop those evil trolls remember. That this will make data mining more complete (which helps a whole bunch of people in a lot of ways, that data is useful) is of course totally by the by. The trolls!

You can see how this works. Trolls may be a real problem but they're not cause to abandon anonymity.

Anyway, like I say that's just a theory, take it with a serious pinch of salt (and if you're going to believe me about the statistics please go look them up).

>I'm fairly certain that it's not the fault of the commies this time

Basically it's not. Cultural Marxism is a thing, but it's not a very big thing, at all. They, like everyone else, have attempted to use the current situation to get what they want. They haven't been overly successful. So as much as they are real, they're also a boogeyman. The same goes for any single group supposedly behind this, a lot of different people have played parts and for a lot of different reasons.

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 No.1913

>>1898
it sounds counterintuitive, mainly because of how hard /pol/ is trying to push the opposite agenda, but I think ingrained racism is the cause of PC in america. See its actually beneficial for racist organizations/institutions if nobody talked about race for fear of offending, since it means nobody can question their agenda which is discreetly racist. its like quotas vs affirmative action - normally we associate the two but quotas haven't been used in government affirmative action programs for a long time, though businesses still do so.

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 No.1928

>>1913
This reminds me of a post on 4chan /lit/ which suggests that the majority of people only care about comfort anymore and consider actual political engagement to be embarrassing. It wouldn't be too hard to believe that this is being pushed down from above by large organizations.

However, we can apply Occam's razor. A more simple explanation for politics becoming embarrassing is that embarrassment sells more clicks/newspapers. Social media follow suit. Bad news travels fast, and gets people to pay attention to you. Suddenly the good news gets filtered out altogether and you only hear about stormfront anymore, or about people unfairly getting fired because of angry mobs on twitter.

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 No.1992

>Linguistics major
i'm fuarrrking useless
>Geomatics major
I'm fuarrrking useless
I just want to die
just fuarrrk me up

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 No.1993

>>1496
While it is true that the skills, like good communicative skills, are necessary to succeed,
I do think that you won't necessarily learn them by visiting humanities courses.
They are rather something you will have to learn on your own, by discussing with friends for example.
I have found that arguing about whatever ( even just for the hell of it ) is a good way to build up communicative abilities.
Still my favorite subjects tend to be stem oriented, as there are many good ways to convince someone, and truth and results mostly tend to win out in the end.

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 No.1994

>>1898
>Cultural Marxism angle has been done to death and frankly lacks so much evidence that these days
There is no lack of evidence, you're just (willfully?) ignorant of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhugUzUuPkE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g
Do a Google search for "wikistorming" and see the "conspiracy" in action.

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 No.1995

>>1928
>However, we can apply Occam's razor. A more simple explanation for politics becoming embarrassing is that embarrassment sells more clicks/newspapers.
How about this: Yellow Journalism got worse not better, and still shoves ideologies down readers/viewers throats today which are in line with marketing and the state sponsored propaganda just like we have overwhelming evidence for in the past?

Occam's Razor doesn't support a hypothesis when you actually can't explain the level of willful incompetence in the news as just stupidity in the face of proof that rampant corruption, greed, and blatant manipulation exist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AnB8MuQ6DU

It was so bad that the Smith-Mundt Act had to be passed to prevent the government from propagandizing the citizens... It had to be plausible that the government might actually believe the BS they promote in news, until 2013 when the Smith-Mundt act was ammended such that anything goes now.

Rather than make a bunch of assumptions, one would think people inclined to read literature would go search out evidence for and against both their stance before propagating it. Then again, one is frequently an optimist for no reason other than nature having selected ancestors for positivity over millions of years...

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 No.1996

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>>1928
fam,
are you unironically suggesting that large organizations aren't deeply interested in influencing public opinion?
Like
Is this really even up for discussion right now?

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 No.1997

>>1992
Take up science or engineering.

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 No.1998

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Science of Religion major here, with a focus on psychology. Planning to do my thesis on how sectarian groups by nature choose to become hostile to the world at large as to justify their self-perception as victims.

I think this can also be applied to a certain group beyond religion.

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 No.2010

>>1448
Not sure if this qualifies as a "creative major", but I'm pursuing history

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 No.2014

>>1998
Holy crap, if you're going to post it at least spoiler that gore!

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 No.2015

I'm a senior in High School. I don't really have a clear grasp of reality in literature. Should I go and become a writer or become a programmer? Or something else? if the situation gets worse i'll just start being a wrassler

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 No.2016

>>2015
Do you like math/physics?
then get a degree in any stem field.
Otherwise pick something else.

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 No.2017

>>2015
Trying to pick and choose your life passions is a crapshoot. Find a hobby and try to develop it into a career.
Attend workshops and local seminars, dedicate an hour to it every few days, and above all else don't give up on it until you complete your first college class; both Intro to CS and Creative Writing are going to be polluted with idiots who didn't put in the prep work for the first few semesters.

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 No.2023

>>2016
I was alright at math until my school screwed me by putting me in the wrong math class and teaching me wrong.

>>2017
Those are pretty good ideas, I'll
def have to consider those. thanks.

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 No.2027

can i do Physics major if I've never been outstanding at math before
I want to work at it now, I never cared before, but I feel so far behind other physics majors

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 No.2028

>>2027
get rid of the math stigma, put in the work, and you will be fine.

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 No.2036

>>2027
If you want go the physics route, you're going to be doing a lot of math.

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 No.2041

>you will never learn to program
>you can never (re)do
>you will never start your life over knowing what you know now
>you will never devote your time to programming

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 No.2069

>>2027
frankly, this sounds like a terrible idea. physics majors have trouble finding employment even if they do okay in class, and you probably will not perform very well unless you can already breeze through complex math.

lainchan posters might not be as easily intimidated by the idea of harsh math due to the presumably large STEM/programmer presence but it's not just the math difficulty that matters.

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 No.2070

>>1995
>>1996
You guys are right, I'm sorry.

The "people are just stupid" idea falls apart when one actually puts in the time to read/watch some Chomsky content. Media manipulation is real.

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 No.2111

>>1448
I think the world is just as STEM focused as always, the difference is that now people have to use a computer.

I feel that there is way more people interested in arts/human sciences/politics than in STEM, but in these places in the internet you end up meeting more people from this field.

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 No.2112

>>2027
>>2069
Yes, you can, and the amount of mathematics you need for physics is not that big, specially if you work in some applied fied.

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 No.2294

>>2111
so I'm not special
...
feel bad

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 No.2301

>>2112
Shut it, lain
You'd better be prepared to go as far as multi-variable calc these days for a physics degree.

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 No.2352

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I work in blue collar. I dropped out of community college years ago, it was a mistake to go that soon. I hated school and didn't know what I wanted to do. After working a for awhile I figured out what I wanted to do and found a cool associate program in the area, again for blue collar which ties into my line of work, and am going for that. As much as I hated school it's always bugged me that I never finished my associates degree.


As far as legit University goes the more I think about it the less I want to go to actual university. I enjoy doing things on my own especially in regards to my own personal development. It is absolutely true that you don't need to spend thousands of dollars to "find yourself" when you can do that soykaf on your own and I can do this while making pretty good money.

It's simple numbers, I would have to quit my job lose my 60k paycheck a year, for 4 more years, as well as all that professional development time, for MAYBE a decent gig. And for what? I know engineers. They're stressed, overworked, and many have been kicked out once their boom time is up or they're too old and expensive and have a hard as fuarrrk time to retool.

Plus, most degrees are useless for pure employment ability. They'll leave you in the hole and you'll end up going into jobs you could've gone anyway without the degree. I mean, let's be real. Look up half of the degrees offered at your University and find specific employment spots for them, let alone in great numbers. It's why you hear all the stories of "I never used muh degree but it helped define who I am". No shit, the time you get your degree is the time you'd be defining yourself anyway.

As for the STEM thing, yeah, that isn't going to last forever and people who keep citing it as the golden egg laying goose are going to eat their words. And even now, and let's be real here, there's only Engineering and Medicine growing in such numbers to define it as a myth and with the oil the way it is you can cut Petroleum Engineering right off the bat.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-is-a-myth

It's just a numbers game. You can't fill something for years and expect it to still need people. Eventually it will become saturated or the boom will bust and the masses are onto the next "high demand industry" like the locusts they are.

What's funnier is that the people who push you the most are the ones who did the least themselves.

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 No.2508

I was going to major in Compsci but I'm not sure anymore.
I like computers, but I don't like Software Engineering. I don't want to program for a company 9-5.

I'm thinking of majoring in Literature and just be a teacher or a translator, I'm currently in a somewhat intermediate level in my third language, already know which fourth language I wanna learn.

Pls give me advice, lainons.

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 No.2509

>>2508
If you like computers but not software engineering, IT is pretty easy and is always in demand. Just make sure you don't get stuck in customer-facing stuff and instead work with systems.

Any university should have some sort of IT major.

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 No.2510

>>2509
teaching might not be as ludicrous as say STEM careers, but as we've seen >>2352 that's not going to last anyway

better to forget the pay and do what you love. The money won't follow but you might be more satisfied.

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 No.2511

>>2510
also, your major doesn't define you since it only matters until your first job. you can be into computers without majoring in compsci, technical skills are relevant in all fields

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 No.2512

>>2352
i know what you mean Lainon, I already see flooding on *Sec jobs.

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 No.2515

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>>1448
Currently majoring in Studio Art with a digital emphasis; am not sure whether or not I want to do gallery glitch art or virtual reality related stuff.
>>1992
hi, lustycru



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