drg - drugs 2.0

Been making the switch from smoking to snus lately, I still smoke a cig every now and then because I fuarrrking looooooooooooooove smoking but it's terrible for your lungs. Now I just pop a snus in and hold it there for most of the day and the cravings go away. Anyone else snus?

I now use this vaporizer. It's amazing, just like a bong, but healthy and efficient. Definitely worth the price tbh.

>>1561
Every stimulant I've ever done makes me more net-tired. The energy I get from the high is taken back with interest afterwards and nicotine doesn't energize me, but it does synergize well with caffeine and amphetamines.

>>1134
Rolling cigarettes was how I got my joint skills to 10/10, wacky tabaccy is way to expensive to just roll a ton of joints back to back but tobacco isn't. Sage cus double post.

I smoke marb reds, but I'm thinking of trying to roll my own.

I use to smoke newports.

Who else Newports here?

>>937
I like Lucky Strikes blues

There are those new Lucky Strikes with an odd 'flow filter'. It's just a very hard filter with a big hole at the tip. They're not any different from other normal cigarettes though, won't buy them again.

Belmonts
FYI Canadian cigarettes are of shit

I don't smoke much. I can't even smoke more than a few a day without feeling my insides are dying
Usually when I'm out and/or drinking, to relax/contemplate and take breaks from parties/being social

>>1561
>That's bullsoykaf. Nicotine is a stimulant.
Not him but smoking makes me fuarrrk ing sleepy

I don't "actively" smoke, but I am a social smoker... Have some friends who roll their own, and I'll probably end up addicted at some point.

Red Pall Mall for me. Before that I was into the blue Gauloises. I still think these are pretty similar and dislike most other brands.

I'm thinking about switching to vaping lately. The colleague I always work with recently did it and now boasts about all the money he saved already.

>>1560
The nicotine buzz has always been a bit irritating for me too. Guess we're the outliers among smokers.

>>1621
I vape, but not e-liquid or tobacco. To me, the attraction of smoking is more about the actual smoking than what I get from the nicotine

>>1415
I've actually started liking the smell, myself.

>>1826
I like the toasted smell of cigarettes that stays sometime after you've smoked but the smell while actually smoking is like kicking dead whales down the beach . It's not really a problem for me personally but i'm quite a bit worried all the time people will sniff and dislike.

vaper checking in

Regular camels are so bad. Since I've tried American Spirit Blue there's just nothing that tastes good anymore. Gotta search some more.

I fuarrrking love parliment menthols

>>1847

Don't vape e-liquid, but have friends that do.

You DIY?

>>1874
both. there's a lot of local juice makers around me that charge a fair price.

Smoking for sake of being cool is retarded (if you are doing this then you bought the commercials hook, line and sinker)
If you desire nicotine for increased focus then go with the most efficient way(nicotine patches/ecigs)
Buying cigarettes is just a social symbol status, stop doing it.

I always smoke too much when I drink. Now my throat hurts.

>>1896
Woah! Smoking is awful? This has completely changed my viewpoint on everything!

>>1906
I didnt say that and you know it.

>>1847

Recently bought one of those vape starter kits, waiting for it to get here in the mail. Will post again when it arrives. Planning on cutting back smoking for a while, as much as I fuarrrking love it more than almost anything in my life I'm starting to feel really shitty healthwise.

>>937

>Yeah, it's fuarrrking terrible for you,

Then quit, it's not that hard to do.

>>1136
Phillip Morris did that where I live, and tasted like soykaf . The recessed filter softens up the flavour, so it needs to be strong, it wouldn't go well with every brand

Rolling with this rig. I like that tabacco because it tastes a little bit like walnuts and is pretty cheap compared to my second choice Lucky Strike Original Red. I don't really care about the filters and paper but those are fine.

>>1923
Is that new? I saw it for the first time today in REWE.

>>1916
Effects of addiction, will power, etc vary for everyone.

>>1131
Surprised this hasn't been addressed ITT. You lainons do know that second hand smoke is a complete myth right?

Or at least, it's not been established in any legitimate scientific study. This isn't me saying whatever contradicts me doesn't count, the EPA study that the myth mainly stems from and justified most of the US public policy towards anti-smoking legislation was rejected by a Congressial Review and outright indicted by a federal judge for its fraudelence:
>The Agency disregarded information and made findings based on selective information… [The EPA] deviated from its risk assessment guidelines; failed to disclose important (opposing) findings and reasons; and left significant questions without answers… Gathering all relevant information, researching and disseminating findings, were subordinate to EPA’s [goal of] demonstrating [that] ETS was a Group A carcinogen… In this case, the EPA publicly committed to a conclusion before research had begun; adjusted established procedure and scientific norms to validate the Agency’s public conclusion, and aggressively utilized the Act’s authority to disseminate findings to establish a de facto regulatory scheme…and to influence public opinion… While doing so, [the EPA] produced limited evidence, then claimed the weight of the Agency’s researched evidence demonstrated ETS causes cancer. (Osteen, 1998)

All other significant studies have found little to no evidence to believe there's an increased risk in lung cancer for people working in a high smoking environment or with frequent smokers (i.e. World Health Organization's Boffetta, et al. 1998; US Dept of Energy's Jenkins, et al, 1999).

Info quickly pulled from an article off google:
http://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/2009/01/the-myth-of-second-hand-smoke/

You can research it yourself. It's just one of those things people keep saying because it fits their political worldview but has no actual basis in scientific reality, like 'IQ tests are culturally biased and flawed measures of future success' or '1 out of every 3 college women are raped every year'.

Also like 'vaccines cause autism', it usually stems from one corrupt, fraudulent study that is quickly debunked but still picked up and continuously shared by sensationalist fear mongering media who conveniently ignore its rejection by the scientific community, and then regurgitated by self righteous idiots who want to feel they're on the side of 'knowledge' and commercialized by activist and nonprofit megaorganizations. But it takes 10 seconds on google to realize, oh, looks like the propaganda machine was lying to me again.

Also, smoker's lung is a blatant lie too, if you still believe that. It's usually just pig lungs blackened with dye 'for dramatic effect'. No doctor will tell you you can tell a smoker from a non-smoker by looking at their lungs with the naked eye.
Reference:
https://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/the-black-lung-lie/

An article listing examples of the justifications used for entirely fabricated negative health effects of smoking (here on cigarette packages):
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/21/hurt-no-ifs-ands-or-butts-fda-warning-photos-faked/

Stop feeling so guilty about your habit. There's much worse things you can be doing to your body and you're hardly hurting anyone around you for it. I never blow out smoke near kids and follow 15ft from entryway laws in yuppie neighborhoods but that's the only concession I make. Besides obviously being derezzed from interiors fuarrrking everywhere. It's almost unfathomable to think that we used to be a nation of smokers, and now people pretend a cigarette in a cafe larger than most homes would practically murder half the patrons because muh asthma. Go for a jog.

>>1934
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking#Evidence
nah
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/05/jnci.djt365.full
>Passive smoking has many downstream health effects—asthma, upper respiratory infections, other pulmonary diseases, cardiovascular disease—but only borderline increased risk of lung cancer

black lung is totally a thing too, it just isn't what you get from cigarettes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalworker's_pneumoconiosis

you're just using popular misconceptions to promote reactionary sentiment.

I've been really tempted to buy my first pack recently. I enjoy smoking but I don't want to get addicted.

>>1938
You won't. Just don't become greedy and treat nicotine as the drug it is. As for me, when I have a pack on me I smoke 2 - 3 or sometimes 4 cigs per day on average. This way I smoke ~3 packs within ~3 months. Then I take a break from cigarettes for a month. When you take the break and you have absolutely no problem with it and you still like smoking, keep going. The point where you need to reduce your consumption is when you need to have a cig, not when you wanna have a cig.

>>1935
You have to realize there's a lot of vested interests and misinformation spread in that specific scientific community. The quote you pulled from the study is the scientist giving her opinion on what effects she believes ETS to have in areas that were not covered by the research in her own study - except the final conclusion regarding lung cancer.

The evidence and methodology used is usually pretty weak, which they mention in that article too. Usually ETS is studied by looking at the spouses of smokers. The other most damning evidence is incidence of heart-related hospitalizations in cities that have implemented smoking bans. Both clearly have room for a lot of error.
There's a lot of money going into tobacco research (from both sides), there's a lot of low quality studies on the subject because it's so easy to acquire funding with anything that sets out to confirm the policy assumption (similar situation with climate change), so its easy for meta-analysis to cherry pick based on their standards of rigor and come to vastly different conclusions.

>>1935
And I'm aware black lung is a thing, it's just totally irrelevant to cigarettes. You might as well claim exposure to elephants give you elephantitis. It's an easy pitch.

>>937
>Mary-san
My nigga.

>>1943
which is why you shouldn't roll into the thread with soykaf like
>You lainons do know that second hand smoke is a complete myth right?
because it makes you sound exactly like the vested interests you're talking about. I would also argue the most money has been behind pushing a pro-cigarette agenda since there's really no incentive for the anti

I read the whole article too so I don't see why you had to paraphrase it

>>1945
she's my role model

if mary-san&co smoke like chimneys, I will too.

>>1939
That sounds like a great method. I will give it a shot.
Thanks lainanon.

After having tried all Lucky Strikes (The two kind of convertible ones, the red and blue too), Marlboros Red and Gold, Dunhill extra-long and Carlton Blend aswell as some other small brands from here like Hollywood and soykaf like that i finally found one place here in my shithole that sells Camels, both Blues and the regular ones and after a couple weeks smoking those i'm think i'm settled on what i like.
Funny thing, everytime people tell soykaf on me about cancer i say i just wanna die young and soon anyway.

marlboro 100s

and yes there are a lot of programming smokers

>>1103
Used to be in the same scenario, except for me I just happened to randomly not want another cigarette.

>>1934
>IQ tests are culturally biased and flawed measures of future success
But that's true, plus there's no definitive measure of intellect. In another culture, say, African, the strongest and skilled hunters would be considered the most intelligent (e.g IQ of probably 200) and a book worm an IQ of 40 because they can't hunt, but read. And it doesn't factor in all aspects of intelligence, it's just generalized as left or right brained intelligence. What about fluid intelligence? Crystalline intelligence, emotional intelligence?

>>1997
Me again, just want to add on to another thing about IQ tests that makes a great example.
An IQ test is like having a size 20 male shoe and saying anyone who wears it gets measured on a scale of up to size 20. If a size 20 male fits into it, he'll be the most intelligent. If you are a size 8 shoe person, you'll have a low IQ score. Bogus.

I smoked tobacco for around four years each day and then stopped, skin is much better, I can breathe much better, I don't forget a lot of things anymore, I don't smell bad, hair feels better, I can actually walk long distances and carry stuff. Now I'm waiting to try cannabis again like in the way that I'm not addicted to it and won't need but a puff or two and then can continue whatever I'm doing. I do not miss it at all, I think one prescription antipsychotic drug made me smoke a lot of tobacco, like 3 packs a day at one point and life was horrible. I really do not want to smoke tobacco anymore, I do not understand who can like the taste and smell of it! Yuck!

I wish there was some way to smoke without fuarrrking yourself up and I don't mean vaping, I want to actually be burning something and not look like a reject from fifth element.

>>2003
Quit bitching and just do it if it means so much to you. Humbleness is the key to every drug.
But cigarettes are a really odd drug, to take a recent example Helmut Schmidt died at the age of 96 (!) on 10th November and he was a HEAVY chain smoker. He used to smoke Reyno I think, maybe that's the key...

>>1931
It's rather new and often sold out at the few places that sell them. Anyways, you should try it. Only bad thing is the package and sometimes forests of trunks.