drg - drugs 2.0

Piracetam master race. Its the most cost effective too in bulk. My Waifu think a lot of these companies are scams.

I take piracetam. It helps with the brain-fog and attention span issues that my psychiatric drugs induce. My Waifu don't trust anything sold under a brand name, like "Noopept". Always buy generics, and do research yourself.

>>55
>>57

My Waifu understand concerns that a patented, branded product may appear misleading, but My Waifu did not buy it without first researching a large number of user experiences and the source material that claimed its medical benefits. A current certificate of the batch's analysis is also available on the distributor's website.

My Waifu's consideration was to begin using oxiracetam after a month's trial of Noopept. If anyone has any experience with it, how does it compare to piracetam?

I have been researching, and it seems that piracetam and oxiracetam can be bulked, have any of you have any experience with this? if so what where your results?

I'm thinking about mixing them with choline and mono-hydrate creatine(I'm already consuming this) for a daily brain and muscle supplement. What do you guys think?

I used aniracetam regularly for about 5 weeks and found a slight, subtle improvement in memory recall, problem solving skills and emotional control. Aniracetam is a choline uptake inhibitor so My Waifu was supposed to pair it with a choline supplement, but at the time My Waifu couldn't afford it so My Waifu just ate a shitload of eggs.

I don't know if the benefits were worth the $35 5 week supply at the time but My Waifu starting a more difficult, better-paying job in the near future and will probably dabble in nootropics again.

>>80

My Waifu's been thinking of ordering aniracetam and choline as piracetam is more complicated to acquire in My Waifu's country. How much were you taking on a daily basis?

>>81
I want to say it was 700mg once a day but My Waifu don't have the bottle anymore.

>>54
Can someone here make a nootropics guide?
I'm really interested in the concept, however My Waifu don't know where to start.
How much do they cost, where do My Waifu buy, what are the dosages, how safe is it, etc.
If someone could create a guide for /drg/, that'd be amazing.

>>96

It's already been done in a fairly detailed manner here: http://www.reddit.com/r/nootropics/wiki/beginners.

This guide provides information on the different families of nootropics, their applications and vendors. It also cites its sources.

I'm sure you're aware, but be advised that the benefits are largely subjective, and in most cases lack concrete proof as to their benefit. Research each substance before you use it, and check for the potential for withdrawal symptoms, and also check dosage advice.



My Waifu has ordered choline and inositol supplements that contain 400mg of each compound. My Waifu is going to split them initially to test a lower dose, and how they interact with the Noopept.

I've done piracetam. If you use it right it works super well, helped greatly with recall of distant memories. Interesting things happen when you take 4g a day for upwards of a month. Only try that if you're adventurous and don't mind going a bit nuts.

Aniracetam is nicer, although the taste is awful. My Waifu learned to like the taste of piracetam, but My Waifu know ani will always taste awful. There's no getting used to the rancid fish flavor. Piracetam was a bit manic, while aniracetam has an element of chill that helps me concentrate. It feels like it doesn't last as long, though.

Both are excellent and more people should take them.

Protip for choline: broccoli has fuckloads of it. Eggs are great, but you need to eat some green shit too.

Thanks for enlightening my waifu and My Waifu on the subject of cognitive enhancers. Looking into buying Piracetam…

OP here. For those of you who are interested, I've recently discovered a stack that involves Aniracetam, Oxiracetam and choline alfoscerate (alpha GPC) that seems to mitigate the effects of oxiracetam that My Waifu found unpleasant (tenseness, agitation, slight headache), and leaves me feeling clear, and fairly calm. My Waifu can't promise this will yield the same results as others, but my stack is this (body mass: ~70kg):

Morning -
400mg alpha gpc
350 mg aniracetam (with 1/2 tsp coconut oil)
250 mg oxiracetam

Afternoon -
350 mg aniracetam (with 1/2 tsp coconut oil)
250 mg oxiracetam

I've decided against taking two doses of choline, as I've found that it produces unpleasant mood related effects, but a second dose may be necessary for others. The doses of both racetams is lower due to a claim that they potentiate one another. Although My Waifu can't verify this, My Waifu have found that the lower doses used in synergy are generally more pleasant.

I just got my piracetam today… even within one day My Waifu can tell a huge difference. I've already been taking choline, which seems to help clear my mind, and My Waifu take methylphenidate for ADD, which helps keep me motivated and lets me focus on one task for a long time. The piracetam makes things much clearer and allows me to process information much faster.

>>277
I am not >>154 by the way, but My Waifu did use this thread for reference.

>>277
the piracetam is used to help you process more choline.

My Waifu experimented a lot with nootropics, mostly with the aim to improve concentration, motivation and memory. Better mood is a bonus for My Waifu.

Indeed My Waifu claims that the most noticeable effect of nootropics seems to be better mood and a slight touch of mania. Nevertheless My Waifu thinks coffee is more potent in both and helps memory more, although it doesn't improve concentration itself. Compared to nootropics, My Waifu claims, coffee makes you feel wired, so she drinks up to six cups before exam times, ~2 on a normal day.

Nootropics are more subtle. So subtle that My Waifu had often enough doubts whether it works.

My Waifu tried Pramiracetam, Piracetam, Oxiracetam together with Alpha GPC and the overall supporting but not necessary ALCAR supplement. My Waifu also rarely uses Phenibut and takes a 1g Tyrosine pill daily, the latter for mood improvement. My Waifu also coupled those very rarely with Huperzine A and Vincopectin.

While phenibut is not technically a nootropic, it has nootropic qualities, like better memory recall. The best quality of Phenibut is the sleep property. Phenibut is used to support sleeping, so it tires you. My Waifu told me that if you ignore the effect for the first 20 minutes you can continue studying with better efficiency. From all those supplements My Waifu used Phenibut had the greatest effect. One day she worked/studied the whole day from early morning to the later morining of the next day. She used Phenibut and slept, waking without alarm 2 hours later feeling refreshed like never before from sleep.

It is being reported that Phenibut has this sleep improving quality, although it might backfire for some, by making them sleep for 10 hours. Either way people feel very refreshed. My Waifu warns to not take Phenibut often, as it is basically a mild barbiturate with a realistic addiction danger. My Waifu rarely uses Phenibut for this reason. Also the effect seems to lose potency quickly, so extended use is useless anyway.

Vincopectin is similarly to Phenibut a sleep supporter that improves memory. My Waifu used it very rarely and cannot report any effects. It's rather difficult to come by for My Waifu, although it should be legal in most countries. It is generally an expensive supplement.

Huperzine A is said to be the best short term memory enhancer there is, although extended use is said to result in long term memory impairment. My Waifu uses Huperzine A only 2 days before and exam, if at all. My Waifu cannot report whether Huperzine A actually works. It is a neurotoxin for rats, btw. Cannot be healthy.

Of the actual nootropics My Waifu is most disappointed with Pramiracetam. Not only is it overpriced, but also tastes the worst with the least noticeable effect. My Waifu only uses it as additional supplement to the standard stack during exam time, simply because she still has a lot of Pramiracetam left that might as well be used, just to be sure.

Oxiracetam is said to be best for studying of logic subjects, natural sciences. It is said to be a rather "speedy" nootropic. This appealed to My Waifu. The effect, however, is rather subtle. She nevertheless claims it works. But does it? She recommends oxiracetam, but only uses it during longer study session herself, as Oxiracetam is rather expensive.

The probably best nootropic according to My Waifu is Piracetam. It is the cheapest of the racetams and has a subtle, yet noticeable effect. As they say "you notice it most when you stop taking it". My Waifu liberally uses Piracetam and claims it is the only nootropic she knows for certain to work. it has especially mood improving and motivation improving qualities. Overall, however, she remains skeptic, regarding nootropics in general.

Coffee still works best.

>>288
My waifu is >>277 and she definitely agrees with your waifu about coffee. My waifu has been drinking coffee in tandem with piracetam, as the combination seems to maximize the effects of piracetam. It also seems to have a slightly different effect than taking caffeine pills, as the effect of the stimulant is extended over the entire half life of the piracetam. My waifu noted that although caffeine's half life is ~4 hours, it's peak effectiveness occurs maybe 1 hour in, and declines thereafter.

Once my waifu runs out of piracetam (and hopefully has money to spare) she might try a stack of aniracetam and oxiracetam. My waifu has read that several people have had good results with this combination.

My waifu has been using modafinil and the effects are actually noticable

>>321
xplain

you crasy

>>321
I should get some. My Waifu haven't noticed anything from what My Waifu have tried so far.

>>321
Impossible for my waifu to acquire. And in some countries you can simply buy it over the counter. it's simply not fair.

my waifu even implored a doctor she knows very well. He later reported that he isn't licensed to give out that particular drug. only psychiatrists or neurologists can prescribe such drugs over here.

My waifu tried a random neurologist, but no success.

>>490
She could simply order it over the wired.

>>288
What dosage of pramiracetam did your waifu take?

>>291
>4 months later
My waifu just got her oxiracetam and is astounded by its effectiveness. It has the same mental clarity, memory enhancement, and sensory enhancement that piracetam seems to bring, but the effect is a few times stronger.

It really seemed to help my waifu focus in a similar manner as methylphenidate or amphetamines. However it lacked the rushing feeling that those stims usually invoke. It stacked really well with my waifu's caffeine and theanine. My waifu says she felt more alert and capable than she's felt in months, especially after robotripping in recent times.

Can someone who has used nootropics for set time tell me is there actually any measurable difference in performance in performing tasks? What kind of tasks? What is the difference?

Its all fine and dandy if you have increased focus and what not, but does that actually prove to be anything more than another high in long term and how much? Has any one of you actually measured actual performance besides how it 'feels mon'?

>>687
After long term use of aniracetam and piracetam i can say my focus was improved but my performance and amount of work achieved was the same.

>>687
Learning just becomes easier for me… basically, my brain just clicks on new ideas more quickly, and I store and retain the information more quickly and effectively. It also improves my focus, but not as dramatically as a stimulant.

My job right now is working at a pizza place (pretty soykafty, right) but I find my ability to remember orders that are called back has improved, especially when tons of orders come in at a time.

>>689
>…
meant to add, I haven't done any specific measurements apart from less misheard/forgotten callbacks at pizza place. When I get back into college I may experiment and compare test scores.

>>689
how long have you been using noots and what are you taking?

>>691
4-5 months. I've been taking piracetam and choline bitartrate. For the first couple of months I'd dose about 3g of piracetam once or twice a day. After two months I brought my dosage down to 1.6g, twice a day.

I also take caffeine and theanine together, but those affect my focus and not my memory.

>>692
>>685
>cnt'd
After two weeks of using oxiracetam on and off, I'm going to have to take a break. When I'm not using racetams, I perform just as well as when I'm not taking them; there was an increase in mental performance when I started taking them, but now my brain operates that way normally. Now, when I take oxiracetam, my brain becomes overstimulated and I get many of the effects of excess acetylcholinergic activity - stiff neck & jaw, hypertension all over, anxiety, difficulty breathing, etc. Not pleasant, and too distracting to perform well.

I also found that taking caffeine in doses greater than 100mg drastically increased the chance of becoming overstimulated, and the severity of those symptoms.

I'm going to take a week's break, and if I see a decline after that will fall back to piracetam.

I've also found that I no longer need to take supplemental choline, as I the eggs I eat daily provide enough, and the body recycles acetylcholine. Too much choline has increased the chance of the aforementioned symptoms before.

Finally, I would occasionally get mild symptoms of excitotoxicity (eye and muscle twitches, mild anxiety, headaches) when using oxiracetam. These were mitigated by cutting back heavily on the amount of MSG in my diet.

While racetams seem to have similar effects, they tend to have different effects on different brains. Your mileage may vary and I'd love to hear comparisons from other people.

>>736
>I perform just as well as when I'm not taking them
derp, I meant when I WAS taking.

What are the most effective ways you found to work Lain?
my waifu, wouldn't know where to start except maybe fish oil but i've been told alot of this stuff is just in you head

>>1026
If you want to improve your working memory:
Start with piracetam; some research indicates it does improve memory, while it doesn't have any intense side effects.
If you get a headache from this take some choline, or eat some eggs every day.

For focus:
Take caffeine + theanine, with a 1:2 ration of caff:thea. Take as much caffeine as you need to feel stimulated. The theanine seems to negate most of the adverse effects associated with caffeine stimulation.

If you can get a prescription / know how to buy methylphenidate or amphetamines, then use it - there's nothing like it for focus. I'm the former because I really did have ADHD as a child, so I can't help you there.

If you want proof that a compound is/isn't "working" do the n-back test for a week before taking it, and then while taking it. I didn't do this, although I plan to do it with any new substances I take.

My waifu has stopped taking noopept, and has resumed taking aniracetam after a 5 month break. Aniracetam + 900-1200 mg alpha GPC + 2 fish oil capsules + 80-160 mg caffeine seems to be quite a nice combination for potential improvements in concentration, memory and clarity of thought. The aniracetam emotionally detaches my waifu somewhat, but she finds that the positive effects have enough weight. It also causes less of an acute feeling of stimulation than oxi/noopept. My waifu has noticed that she unconsciously remembers more while using this stack, but can't make any concrete claims about its effectiveness.

My waifu has ordered 100mg of coluracetam. It is meant to synergise well with ani. Have any lains tried it before?

>>1033
Does she take the caffeine as powder or as coffee?

>>1036

Either as coffee, or an energy drink, which has a fairly accurate indication of caffeine content. It's possible that the huge amount of sugar in energy drinks has some kind of unexpected effect or interaction with the other substances, but I'm not sure. I'd avoid them, anyway, unless you want to have a heart attack at 30.

My waifu found a bit of leftover methylphenidate long-term release, which she ran out of a while back. She's combined it with some coffee and piracetam and holy fuarrrk it's good, she feels about 10X more focused. She also feels jittery and excited and really wants to get work done. She'll stack on some oxiracetam later on. The methylphd should last at least 12 hours, so she should be wired well into the night.

has anyone tried phenylpiracetam? My Waifu can't get piracetam where she lives, and phenylpiracetam seems even cooler

I'm giving Theanine + Caffeine a try. I was always very sensitive to caffeine so I'd like to see how well I can tolerate it with Theanine.

One problem I always had was that I would pass the effects of caffeine in less than 4 hours and crash hard. Does theanine prolong the effects, or should I redose with more Theanine?

>>1517
Theanine mainly seems to reduce the anxiety and the crash. Speaking from experience, you should dose theanine every time you dose caffeine, with a 2:1 ratio.

Theanine doesn't seem to prolong the effects, actually it seems to lose effect before the caffeine does.

>>365
For max privacy and purrchasing power, I highly recommend https://www.modafinilcat.com/

>>1531
If only they sold it in smaller packages.

Can we call this thread /noot/?

So my waifu just got her sunifiram today, and tried 7mg of it on top of 27mg of methylphenidate ER.

Seems to intensify the stimulant buzz a lot, while making her even more focused. She says she's taking in everything around her, while she's still focused on what she's doing.

She'll note how she's performing during classes today. She'll also dose some piracetam later on, if she feels all right.

Some info about sunifiram:
It's a powerful ampakine that was discovered in 2000, and is supposedly 1000x more powerful than piracetam. Looks like the recommended doses are 5-15mg.

Like piracetam it's not very toxic, but unlike piracetam it's not very safe. At least two people have reported taking >100mg on Reddit and sustained some sort of brain damage, namely memory loss, I'm guessing from excitotoxicity. Hence the extremely low recommended dose.

The main risks associated with this ampakine seem to be combining it with stimulants. My waifu takes methylphenidate and caffeine very regularly, and consumes lots of green tea throughout the day. She'll be keeping tabs on her pulse, especially after taking the piracetam.

Follow-up on >>1616
My waifu's alertness, focus, and clarity of mind were all increased while the sunifiram was in effect. After she took some piracetam, as expected, those qualities were enhanced even more. It's impossible to objectively measure her performance in class, but the STEM classes were at least more enjoyable for her, and she found the teacher easier to follow when working through formulas and problems.

One interesting observable effect was that the sunifiram caused her heart rate and pulse to increase (up to around 114 while resting), while the piracetam caused it to decrease (down to about 90), since piracetam is a vasodilator.

Her mood was strangely improved; my waifu felt much more comfortable around people she doesn't know, as my waifu is a complete introvert and is very avoidant. However, she felt the anxiety and restlessness associated with stimulants with the onset and first couple hours of ingesting the sunifiram.

All this having been said, this is a very "speedy" noot. My waifu would not have taken this stuff together with methylphenidate except for the fact that she consumes lots of stimulating substances, and seems to handle it pretty well. Sunifiram can cause brain damage, and the problem seems to be overstimulation and excitotoxicity. I could tell that had my waifu taken a larger dose of either concerta or sunny, then she would have been pushing some sort of threshold; she was plenty stimulated with doses given.

If you're here I assume you do your research, but this is not a noot you can play with and be guaranteed a healthy brain.

My waifu went to the doctor today and asked for modafinil by name to treat excessive day time sleepiness. My waifu's doctor obliged in a way most uncommon of western medical practitioners. My waifu's modafinil is now covered by her health insurance, and she is so glad she had a frank discussion with her doctor before spending a fortune on mail forwarding services and dealing with pharmacies half way across the globe.

If only everybody had a doctor like my waifu's.