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 No.19936

Batman is not a savior and Gotham is a capitalist fascism that isnt to be saved.

Batman is a tacit communal agreement amongst Gotham that the need exists for a means by which systemic inequality can continue without action toward determining or preventing its causes. Batman captures and detains criminals and the police arrest them, thereby lending validity to his cause. Batmans chief enemies are the mentally ill (the joker and the riddler), immigrants (bane), and minorities (catwoman, harley quinn, and disfigured villains such as clayface and killer croc.) The fact that batman consistently denies the ability for rehabilitation in many of these villains conveniently in turn absolves the city as well as his plutocratic double identity from ever doing anything meaningful to address inequality in gotham.

Gotham itself is no more than a collective of plutocrats governed by oligarchy. depictions of the city are a bastardization of the roaring twenties cast in italian fascism, and smattered with modernist superstructures from which steady streams of the well to do ingress and egress. Bruce Wayne, unable to reconcile his dark secret and in keeping with fashionable appearances, donates by his own compare a pittance to orphanages while never addressing the causes of and treatment for seemingly so many of them. his dark torment, the loss of his parents, is irrelevant when super-positioned amongst his endless riches and cloistered elite lifestyle. Batman has no axe to grind but the one layed in his hands by the society he "protects."

Batman is capitalist fairytale, spun from whole cloth and fed to an audience that must be constantly reminded that wealthy people are not only relevant, but helpful and meaningful in a society where they routinely reveal themselves as callous and greedy accessories to the misery of a nation.
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 No.19937

>>19936
Well, I think you're thinking into this way too much, but in generall all American media supports Capitalism.

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 No.19950

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>>19936
The Dark Knight indeed!

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 No.19952

>>19936
You conveniently leave out the thousands upon thousands, perhaps millions, of dead at the hands of these "mentally ill, immigrants, and minority".

Capitalism will continue to be the best system until post scarcity happens and everyone or every town can have their own mini factories to make whatever they need.

I wanted to contribute my own cyberpunk explanation of things, but these seem to require too much leeway to be believable and I already don't partake of much fiction and what I do tends to already be cyberpunk.

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 No.19953

someone's been reading to much zizek

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 No.19958

>>19952
maybe this thread went political zero posts in but it's not like you have to assert your defense of capitalism every time someone says bad stuff about it

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 No.19962

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>>19936
I think you're nitpicking batmans lore far to much to suit your arguement, and in doing so are leaving out some huge parts of his stories.
>> Batmans chief enemies are the mentally ill (the joker and the riddler), immigrants (bane), and minorities (catwoman, harley quinn, and disfigured villains such as clayface and killer croc.)

Batman DOES contentiously try to rehabilitate them, he doesn't want them killed, at least not most of them. There are many instances where past villains come back as not necessarily allies, but as more or less cured in particular Harley Quinn, Catwoman, and Bane.

>>collective of plutocrats governed by oligarchy


Who are major villians in the batman universe, in fact my personal favorite group of villains is the court of Owls, who are essentially the shadow oligarchs of Gotham, and who batman goes all out to destroy.


>>donates by his own compare a pittance to orphanages while never addressing the causes of and treatment for seemingly so many of them


While this is valid, it should also be noted that he has raised groups of orphans to fight and overthrow fascist and totalitarian regimes the world over such as in the Dark Knight Strikes again and the Batman Inc. series.

>>Batman is capitalist fairytale

I can agree to that.

>>fed to an audience that must be constantly reminded that wealthy people are not only relevant, but helpful and meaningful in a society


No. Batman is often pitted against other wealthy people and huge parts of the modern batman lore is the incompetence of inherited riches and the greed of faceless corporations.

In fact batman beyond and Batman: TAS are some of the most anti-wealth and anti-government and most popular iterations of batman.

I'd argue that Batman(most early on in his career, like year one especially, but the Dark Knight returns and Master Race as well) is actually pretty /cyb/, he believes the government and police force are but tools to the rich, powerful, and corrupt and that he has to bend the law in order to find justice, but he's also never quick to brutality, and typically willing to hear all sides of an issue.

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 No.19966

>>19962
I've always envisioned a Batman who's built up Gotham to have supervillains and an incompetent police force to justify his role as Batman, sure he's doing good but only so far as he's also created the evil in the first place.

basically the dude is using Gotham as a giant playground but doesn't realize it because he thinks he's legitimately fighting crime and is motivated to do it by his dead parents

I dunno I haven't consumed any batman media so

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 No.20022

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>>19962
>>Batman DOES contentiously try to rehabilitate them
Batman is the literal embodiment of revolving door mass-incarceration. he doesnt want them dead because they serve a purpose in re-enforcing the role of the state and its systemic inequality. villains are cured once they accept the role of the state through their savior, batman.

>>major villians in the batman universe

are manufactured. you learn who holds real power by asking about the people no one talks about. the governor? the city council? secretaries? all absent in the majority of storylines.

>>batman beyond and TAS

beyond is the storyline of a man cast into the role of the batman who cannot as bruce once did reconcile completely the schism between gotham elite and the pauper. And while TAS was an excellent series with accomplished writing and storyline, its still just the batman feeding invalids into the system. I cant speak for master race, but Im genuinely curious to see it.

>>19953
probably ;) but batman is hardly the least guilty. Iron man is much worse, but only in that he does nothing but fix problems he himself caused through his own largesse.



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