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 No.19830

A lot of us have had enough with the corps. Companies just get bigger and bigger, with larger corporations gobbling up and merging with smaller companies. In addition, there's no question that the richest people can influence the government in ways that citizens can't, even as a voting population. Thomas Piketty, author of "Capital in the Twenty-First Century," Bernie Sanders, and leading economists at Princeton realize this. Check out the attached pdf, which is a peer-reviewed journal from Princeton. This isn't some conspiracy bull soykaf . But the government or the people aren't doing anything about it.

There is no question that the United States is headed into a period of extraordinary economic inequality and a ruling oligarchy not unlike the gilded age, which will only be more evident when robots replace much of the workforce, leaving the means of production firmly in the hands of the people that own the technology.

Cyberpunks like feel pretty helpless. We might play video games or fondly anticipate a cyberpunk future, but deep down we know that this isn't what would be best for our children or the future of America. But what can we do? We're just wageslaves or NEETs.

Most of us spend plenty of time on the internet, but if we spent half that time AFK doing some sort of activism or action, we could make a difference. Whining about corps on an imageboard, watching 3 hours of anime daily, or spewing bull soykaf in an IRC can only do so much.

Let's get down to it: Does anybody have interest or ideas pertaining to preventing corporate and plutocrat control, legal or otherwise?
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 No.19831

>>19830
3rd line: *Cyperpunks like us

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 No.19833

Here's a video of a plutocrat realizing this and making the argument that the ruling plutocrats should side with the working class, since a revolt is eminent.

Nick Hanauer: Beware, fellow plutocrats, the pitchforks are coming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gO4DKVpa8

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 No.19834

>>19830
>Let's get down to it: Does anybody have interest or ideas pertaining to preventing corporate and plutocrat control, legal or otherwise?

the rev is coming soon. I plan on fighting when it does, but I'm not charismatic or motivated enough to start it myself.

In the meantime, get youself into a good position. Buy a handgun. Meet up with fellow radicals. Enjoy the excesses of capitalism while you can.

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 No.19837

>>19834
Why wait for others to do it yourself? At the very least, entertain us with your ideas of what action you would take if you had the motivation.

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 No.19838

>>19837
>>19834
Also, it's not about "starting the revolution" as a charismatic individual. That's more like the spark that lights the fire. But every action we could take would be more fuel for that spark to catch on, more public awareness of the problems plaguing our society, and more people thinking "maybe I should take a part".

Also, we don't need a violent revolution. Look how the gilded age ended. The government would never let it get to the point of revolution; they would rather let go of their corporate ties and elect some people the people actually trusted. Ideally.

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 No.19843

>>19837
What I would do? I'd drop all my life plans and go around the country trying to start strikes and protests(ideally peaceful ones).

>>19838
I agree, violent revolution should never be the goal, but it's kind of inevitable. The idea of a "velvet revolution" is really appealing to me but if it comes to violence, I won't back down.

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 No.19873

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I think exposing secret after secret after secret steadily would be the easiest way to force all of those in power out of power. Not only serious illegal or immoral secret, but leaks of the rich and powerful saying or doing things that gets the plebians honest mad enough to ridicule them out of power and into obscurity.

The being said the proletariat is ignorant, mean, cruel and listless. They have all the width of human knowledge in the palm of their hands, yet refuse to use it. Why the fuarrrk should I care about the average Joe and not just be part of the Oligarchy myself?

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 No.19874

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create self-assembling megastructure

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 No.19890

>>19873
How would you as a person go about obtaining this information?

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 No.19893

>>19873
because oligarchs are horribly pretentious and trash to hang around with?

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 No.19897

>>19830
If we had to avoid giant conglomerates like nestle (who believe water should be privatized, I got a video on this if anyone wants. It's incredibly hard to find nowadays) we'd have trouble finding suitable ways to buy anything. It's unavoidable unless you chose to side with one company that's the lesser of all the evils in OPs list for example.
Also if I was to start a revolution myself, my first and last revolution would be a coup detat to make my society into one that everyone benefits from and discrimination doesn't exist. That being said it's too idealistic so it will never happen. What happens when I die and another person who takes over decides "hey, a capitalist society would make me more money"? It goes back to the way it was. The coup never happened.

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 No.19898

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>>19874

Who wants to convert matter into energy when they could be converting energy into matter?

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 No.19900

>>19897
It's hard to buy over processed soykaf outside of these conglomerates, but a trip to the local health food store should reveal plenty of more independent companies and probably plenty of local foods. Even just using a local grocer to buy your food instead of a corporate company like Walmart is still a step in the right direction.

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 No.19916

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>>19830
just sayin

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 No.19918

Dear lainords.

The "rev" is indeed coming, but it requires patience and practice.
Are you training? From looking at your posts it sure seems like it.

When it will come you shall know, but we must stay on the DL atm.

Read more books, write more logs, cat more puppets, but don't leak just yet.

We don't need more martyrs.

The movement is very strong, we are all connected and don't even know it. The wire is already part of the real world, but it's not here to harm us.

It's sending a message from the future to the past, for a better alternate future.

If you must buy something, just buy time, because before you know it the time for these entities to fall will have come.

Be warriors of the light.

Peace out? Maybe.

8=~2.71

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 No.19919

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Ignorance is bliss at this point in time. If the masses knew about the soykaf megacorps were doing to us, our environment, and our future, I wouldn't be surprised at all if they continued to sit on their hands in apathy.

You're already witnessing this; "Conspiracy theorists" are already either loathed or laughed at for trying to tell their fellow humans what they know. They won't have any of it if it endangers their warped, coddled reality and sense of well-being.

As you all know by now, corporatism is in bed with our government as evidenced by that fuarrrking monstrous TPP soykaf they're now pulling. And nobody even batted an eye in response, they happily swallowed the "It's good for you and our economy." explanation without further looking into it. The masses don't have the time for politics anymore! They'd much rather have the old and wise take care of it while they update their facebook, or share another meaningless picture on Instagram, or maybe fume their self-righteous anger on twitter. They love their bread and circus. Luckily for them, it won't be ending anytime soon.

In conclusion, the masses are sheep. If enough time and effort is forfeited to educating them one by one, they can become useful sheep. I'm at the point where I fell physically ill if I'm surrounded by them or catch a short glimpse of them clapping like morons whenever some celebrity hack shares his progressive opinion on an interview.

So, what the fuarrrk can we do? I've been planning on making informative pamphlets to pass out on the street, possibly along with a free flashdrive filled with the truth for those who truly seem interested. I'll probably have the cops called on me since they hate people who tell the truth.

Honestly, I don't see anything going anywhere if blood isn't spilled.

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 No.19921

Its a scale, whatever revolution you have is eventually going to swing back to a more stable society with a certain group on top. And thats assuming it doesnt get demolished by a foreign country looking to take advantage of a power vacuum.

There is always always going to be people who realize that not abiding to a moral code and taking advantage of others self placed handicaps will get them further in life. I myself as a godless person dont really see a point in not doing this either. These people stay in power till someone gets sick of them and decides to, as the people they hate did, break laws to push them down placing them ahead.

Its no different from an animal killing the pack leader and taking its place. Your either the person in charge or you arent. Whatever way you think society should run, eventually the people will get tired of it. The general populace, NOT some corrupt leader who wants to be in power, that comes after. I know its unfathomable to think honest working people might dislike this perfect anti capitalist society you have planned that empowers them, but they would eventually.

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 No.19922

>>19921
For the record im not saying revolution is pointless. If one group has too much power something does need to be done. I just think you need to realize whatever leading party forms will face the same fate eventually. And if there is no leading party someone will form a group and take over.

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 No.19923

>>19919
>being a cyber-preacher
pretty cool just don't be one of those pricks who shouts at folk minding their own business just give out your paper and USBs and talk to those who are interested.

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 No.19925

>>19923
>just don't be one of those pricks who shouts at folk minding their own business
I'm pondering the idea, but of course I wouldn't do that.
My lips are sealed unless someone actually show an interest in what is going on in our world.

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 No.19928

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>Cyberpunks like us feel pretty helpless.
It depends. megacorps glean their power from the uninformed and through implied consent. once you reduce your consumption and question why you buy, you erode this power. anti-consumerism is so powerful its been outlawed in the united states. the interstate commerce law itself prevents you from gifting agriculture like grains freely.

>preventing corporate and plutocrat control.

the image implies ten megacorps control virtually everything on or in your body, so the most immediate impact you can make is to cease this practice. learn to cook, make your own soap, stop buying bottled water, and get rid of the soda pop. sell your television, install ad blocking software and refuse to participate in ritualistic consumption. Black Friday was originally termed for the tendency for consumers to loot shops during the thanksgiving holiday. it was eventually whitewashed to mean consumers should consume as much as they can. On black friday, go hiking, or stay in. The cyberpunk future we await is the one we make. if its important, encrypt it.

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 No.19931

>>19897
I'm interested in the video

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 No.19959

>>19928
can I loot shops on black friday instead?

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 No.19963

>>19890
Probably just have targets, somehow in secret, and film them. Also just hacking personal emails of old people, and a little social engineering, and old fashioned sleuthing. If you were to have a network of people all in consensus on a target it can't be hard to dig up dirt. You just have to be careful how said dirt is presented. If it's presented in a way that makes it seems like a mob is after this person it could turn public opinion towards the individual being slandered.

I mean look at the whole Gamergate/SJW movement. What if instead of putting all that effort into dragging through the muck for little soykaf in Anita/Zoe/who the fuarrrk evers past they were doing that to the oligarchs, corporate overlords or politicians?

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 No.19964

>>19897
>What happens when I die and another person who takes over decides "hey, a capitalist society would make me more money"? It goes back to the way it was. The coup never happened.

or you make a leaderless, stateless society and that never happens.

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 No.19980

So so far we have

>>19928
Not consuming/purchasing corporate goods and cooking/producing your own stuff.

>>19919
Becoming "cyber-preachers" and publicly encouraging civilians to reject consumerism.

>>19873
Exposing corporate secrets

I'm compiling a nice .zip that should have some good media on living a corp-free lifestyle since these seem like great ideas. Anyone have anything else?

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 No.19981

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>>19980
Another thing: On the basis of not buying corp products and cooking your own food, there's a great cookbook attached to this post.

It's by Leanne Brown, quite popular right now, and licensed under creative commons. There's even physical books being distributed to food banks to be given to poor families.

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 No.19987

>>19964
its like you think people wont naturally form groups and thus have more power than a singular person would. these groups just become the state and these groups often have leaders.

what are you going to stop people from grouping? Whos going to enforce that, and what gives these enforces more power?

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 No.19988

>>19987
There's no way to enforce anarchy. The best way to do this is to do something like what america's Federalism accomplished.

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 No.19990

>>19987
I don't know, it would be an experiment.

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 No.20004

>>19980
>Anyone have anything else?
basically this >>19919 but online, maybe creating a spambot to send out thousands of emails to people to support the cause

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 No.20011

>>19919
>So, what the fuarrrk can we do?
Nothing, it's fuarrrked beyond saving. Better to join them and live in blissful ignorance.

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 No.20018

>>19897
Please share that video with whatever means you want.

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 No.20019

>>20011
>You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realized? Ignorance is bliss.
how do I blue pill lads, how do I stop knowing my world is nothing but an aristocracy abusing third world slaves to give me a vague feeling of comfortable sedation through cheap electronics and textiles.

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 No.20021

>>20019
Pop some xanax and watch reality tv?

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 No.20038

Read, read, read. What to read? My advice: pass on the academic/philosophical meanderings on the justification for direct action, unless you are still uncertain/on the fence about those foundations.
Focus on the practical: how to do direct action against the massive conglomerates and other structures that we, almost imperceptibly small (note that this can be an advantage!) individuals are up against?
The Urban Guerilla minimanual:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marighella-carlos/1969/06/minimanual-urban-guerrilla/
The Anarchist cookbook
http://textfiles.com/anarchy/

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 No.20061

>>20038
This is the sort of things I was thinking. Thinking/philosophizing about sort of stuff never does any good. It's comical how little any given *chan can accomplish.

Have any feasible plans on direct action against the corps? I really don't know much action that wouldn't be interpreted terribly in wake of the paris shootings

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 No.20069

corporations as a whole are like animals. they always act in their self interest, and because of this are predictable to a degree.

in a sense this is why I am not as against corporations as many. do I trust them? fuarrrk no. but I trust them to always respond in a manner that will net them the most profit. and this means they can be controlled (TO A DEGREE) by putting them in situations where one outcome is more profitable than the other. what's scary is when you have corporations like google where they often do things that can't exactly be linked to JUST making profit.

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 No.20070

>>20019
Dru-
>>20021
Oh never mind

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 No.20071

>>20038
Hell i'd love it if we were all urban guerrillas, but in the USA at least, that is not realistic right now.

>how to do direct action against the massive conglomerates and other structures that we are up against

Man gun toting won't win anything. Neither will random bombings. The minimanual would definitely be useful if a decent chunk of the population had the balls and butthurt to actually stand up and fight. But there aren't nearly enough willing people right now.

Sadly there needs to be another way. I know how to make bombs like the next guy (id say even better due to real experience doing so, not bragging but fuark) though this doesn't mean soykaf in the grand scheme of things.

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 No.20073

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>>20038
>>20061
Practice without theory is almost as bad as theory without practice.

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 No.20074

>>20071
bioweapons used by a large number of people

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 No.20076

>>20074
That already is a thing and is called Taco Bell.

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 No.20091

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>>20076

>Eat this machine instead and you will never need to eat again.

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 No.20108

>>20073
I almost had some hope until I realized that webm is just making up the subtitles.

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 No.20141

If you feel like I feel about the sum of man, we will overcome.

In the tribes of past, there were thinkers for the community. Those who authrotiatvly informed all that kindly listened. Awnsering to the power of truth. Now we are all connected.

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 No.20155

>>20141
But who are the thinkers in 2015 inspiring us?

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 No.20156

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 No.20174

my 2 cents is this. make it normal and the masses will take to it. that's it. the only reason linux hasn't taken hold is because windows is seen as the norm. make linux familiar and they'll take to it no problem.

it's all a matter of monkey see monkey do.


>>20069
>what's scary is when you have corporations like google where they often do things that can't exactly be linked to JUST making profit.

google i think is an extremely unique case. they're at the forefront of the future. literally. their decisions will have incredible repercussions. take their buyouts of companies like boston dynamics.

they could be trying to build robot butlers or terminators. they have the capital, brainpower and flexibility/culture to do so

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 No.20220

>>20174
I wouldn't be surprised if google made their own town at some point

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 No.20237

Corporations survive on profit, so hit them in the pocketbooks?

This can be as simple as not buying from major supermarkets to something as mischievous as making their means of production unusable :<)

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 No.20279

>>20237
I already try not to support corps (buying food from local stores, not joining Google/Netflix/Facebook, etc.)

What criminal actions would be the best in terms of anonymity (aka not getting caught) vs. profits lost?

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 No.20282

>>20279
don't worry about whether you're breaking the law or not. I would say devoting your free time to helping the community / organizations actively working against the corps. Try to influence policies of local organizations (such as the city government but it could be other groups) to be more anti-corp as well.

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 No.20283

>>20237
No. Don't fall into this trap. Money and profit are the things they care about, not us. Hurting them there because that's where they feel it most is just spite. That said, it can still be a good place to hurt them just make sure you're not destroying actual value as you do so (i.e. burning a warehouse to the ground). That just hurts everyone in the long run.

Ways to do this include stealing, preferably stuff but money works too (generally quite risky though). Anything that increases their wage bill. Increasing other bills doesn't work so well, they just pay that bill to another corp anyway, but increasing their wages puts more money into peoples hands in the same way stealing it does.

Ultimately though you aren't going to hurt corporations that much like this. On the global scale they're shoving around trillions of dollars worth of stuff and it will take a lot of people to make a dent in that. When it starts happening on a larger scale the corporations will be in a position to respond and fairly efficiently protect themselves.

>>20282
This is more likely to be impactful. Changing the general public opinion away from corporations hurts them as a whole far more than hitting their pocketbook, which only hurts them as individuals. Even if you dismantled Google this evening someone else would step up to fill their shoes. If you want to end this permanently you need to attack the concept itself. So long as people are willing to work for them and play their part in the collection of people that makes a corporation, there will be corporations.

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 No.20329

>>20282
https://thefnf.org/
I have the feeling pretty much everybody on lainchan would support this organization, their vision is a lot closer to the Wired than the network we have today.

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 No.20338

>>20283
I feel like stealing goods / money can serve a symbolic purpose as well since it normalizes theft and creates a greater anti-corporate atmosphere. but it's a lot more dangerous than many other symbolic moves and should probably only be done on necessity.

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 No.20339

>>20338

Also, it really doesn't hurt the corporations. Most companies take into account some of their stock going missing one way or another. They don't say it, but they sort of expect you to shoplift. They just buy more stock than they have to at a somewhat cheaper price from the supplier.

All these kiddies who steal cause they think it hurts the system are really just another cog in it.

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 No.20345

>>20339
Not really, being prepared for a problem doesnt make the problem part of the plan. It would still be beneficial if the problem never existed.



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