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 No.19193

Is cyberwar real? What is it and how will it be fought?

Note: I'm talking about a hypothetical conflict between actual states partially or completely taking place in the cyber domain, not some 'hacktivist' kid DDoSing or defacing a website, etc.
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 No.19198

I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure it is usually a factor in modern wars. Heck, the concept has been around longer that computers, that's why cryptography developed in the first place. Information is key in the outcome of a war, whoever seizes the information of their opponent has a clear advantage.
It's not hard to see how computers and the internet play a crucial role here. Espionage is another example of this, and you have the chinese attacking goverment sites in the US. Just imagine what could be done in a war if tactical information or classified weapon information os compromised...

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 No.19204

>>19198
Intel gathering is obviously an important element of warfare, but I don't think its use alone constitutes 'a cyberwar'.

Espionage is more like what I think people think when they say 'cyberwar', but is it really a significant threat? If that's what cyberwar is then I think it's more hype than bite: it's not like people are going to die from it, just be inconvenienced.

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 No.19206

Control the memes control the world, the cyberwar can be a ideology war.

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 No.19210

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>>19193
Kojima was right once again

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 No.19211

>>19204
I know the US and the UK have an agreement to constantly attacking each other to test for weaknesses but I don't know if it's "WarGames" first to launch the others nukes wins type thing or just I got your email. it's probably both and obviously they are doing it on mock versions of their systems not the real live thing

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 No.19213

I always thought that this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet#Natanz_nuclear_facilities was pretty cyberwarish.

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 No.19241

>>19210
What game is that image from again?

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 No.19243

yes there kinda is

the US is planing to build cyber weapons that actually do harm. most things that target scada equipment.
http://www.hstoday.us/single-article/cyber-attacks-against-scada-systems-doubled-in-2014-says-dell-threat-report/ae81a11c6c44f731bfd5ff8ab6f26c88.html

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 No.19253

I think it isn't now, but it will be very soon. And I think that because of the way we all typically think of a "cyberwar".... you could define it many different ways I suppose.

The limits of cyberwar at the moment are the limits of the internet, and the internet does not intrude onto EVERYTHING in our lives.

The best use of it right now is as part of a greater strategy, not as a war in and of itself. For instance, Russia played on everyone by sending vehicles with red crosses on them delivering "aid" to the Ukraine, when we pretty much all knew those trucks were carrying spetnaz and special purpose teams as part of their invasion.

It's a tactic that supports a greater objective, but I don't think it's the sole objective quite yet. We'll see it within our lifetimes though.

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 No.19272

>>19241
Metal Snake: Codename Ninja Cyborg

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 No.19324

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pic related, the future IS HERE, all you have to do is BELIEVE.

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 No.19327

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>Is cyberwar real?

Real as in observable?

Not unless you're looking.

>What is it?


What is war?

>How will it be fought?


Depends on who is leading the fight.

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 No.19540

>>19327
Captain Semantics to the rescue!

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 No.19553

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cyberwar = police/feds etc. unable to close facebook

pic related: Same applies

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 No.19554

P.S. they want people to believe in cyberwar so they can remove our internet freedom.

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 No.19557

>>19324
Fuqin saved

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 No.19558

Cyberwar hasn't been extensively used. Your constraints are a little harsh, OP. Most warfare now is between non-state actors and states. In this realm, cyberwar is actually less of a threat because usually only nation states have both substantial infrastructure and offensive capability.

Between states, cyberwar could be used in the following ways:

1. Disrupting command and control systems. This is the most difficult but the most valuable.

2. Disrupting economic activity of a state. Good example of this is in Russian conflicts where they attacked banks in Estonia or Georgia or Ukraine.

3. Disrupting industrial activity. Stuxnet is the best example.

I'm discriminating here from cyber espionage, which is basically how the Chinese acquire weapons systems. Look at recent Chinese littoral vessels or multirole aircraft.

The lack of open conflict between nation states (and unlikelihood of such conflict ever occurring), combined with the tradeoff that once you shift from being an APT to just disrupting your enemies systems you lose the capabilities for intelligence you once had, means that cyberwar is largely invisible. Russia seems to be the most blatant about offensive cyberwar, along with Israel. Which makes sense because they're both territorially aggressive states with ambitions on their borders.

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 No.19562

Cyber war feels like it mostly companies doing espionage on eachother...

Everything that harms capitalism is war

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 No.19563

>>19562
but wars themselves help capitalism.

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 No.19568

An entire war /only/ on the internet will never happen. Why hack a power plant when you can just bomb it?

It may be used to aide a war, in fact it's been done already and is going to happen again in the future.

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 No.19569

>>19327
Jesus fuarrrking christ, your hard drive must be soykaf to sort through with file names like that



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