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 No.19111

Things that are basically guaranteed to happen in the (near) future:

>windows 10 will start automatically removing pirated content (software, music, movies) without the consent of the user, likely through windows defender as a "safety precaution"

>surveillance infrastructure combined with liberally interpreted law will see that infrastructure used to target more than just terrorists, at first dealers in child exploitation material and drugs, and then to target those that infringe copyright
>governments will heavily restrict strong crypto and ban anonymization technologies like onion routing for non-corporate entities, citing law enforcement concerns, making the use of such tech prima facie evidence of a crime
>some guy fawkes mask wearing kid will likely do something stupid and violent, and the fallout will be that hackers and activists will be considered terrorists
>hardware (routers etc.) will be required to ship with locked proprietary firmware to appease government regulators, making open source software unusable on such devices
>further advances in trusted computing will force open source software off new hardware, and dominant virtualization solutions will require signed enterprise versions of linux
>google's native client browser technology will be increasingly invoked to run native code on your machine, and the use of this will quickly evolve to be mainly distributed computing, essentially turning every web connected computer into everyone's (read: corporations') hardware
>legal enforcement of the internet as a public speech zone whereby hate speech and bullying is criminalized, precipitating a push for legislation whereby "real id" only logins are required on all sites that fall under EU/US jurisdiction
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 No.19112

>>19111
>hardware (routers etc.) will be required to ship with locked proprietary firmware to appease government regulators, making open source software unusable on such devices
Isn't this already happening to routers in USA?

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 No.19113

>>19112
sauce plz

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 No.19116


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 No.19117

>hackers and activists will be considered terrorists
They already are.

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 No.19118

>>19116
thx

>>19117
tru dat

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 No.19119

>>19117
reminder that 'terrorism' and 'terrorist' are double speak to demonise any group who don't align with the government

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 No.19123

>>19111

>windows 10 will start automatically removing pirated content (software, music, movies) without the consent of the user, likely through windows defender as a "safety precaution"

Nah. But plenty enough happens without the consent or knowledge of the user right now for this not to be THAT huge of a stretch.

>surveillance infrastructure combined with liberally interpreted law will see that infrastructure used to target more than just terrorists, at first dealers in child exploitation material and drugs, and then to target those that infringe copyright

No. The infrastructure for enforcement just isn't there. Plus, it's easier to do what you want socioeconomically and politically with everyone blinded by the massive availability of information (specifically entertainment) at a grand scale.
Bread and Circuses.

>governments will heavily restrict strong crypto and ban anonymization technologies like onion routing for non-corporate entities, citing law enforcement concerns, making the use of such tech prima facie evidence of a crime

No. It's better for them if we continue to think they work at all.

>some guy fawkes mask wearing kid will likely do something stupid and violent, and the fallout will be that hackers and activists will be considered terrorists

Nope. You already have lulzsec and the massive influx of swatting cases. People barely even know who they are and don't care. Hackers and activists are already marginalized.

>hardware (routers etc.) will be required to ship with locked proprietary firmware to appease government regulators, making open source software unusable on such devices

There is a move toward this already on routers, smartphones have been doing this since inception, and, I hate to break it to you, but you won't be running any modern PC components that don't have some proprietary microcode or out-of-band control facilities (thanks intel).

>further advances in trusted computing will force open source software off new hardware, and dominant virtualization solutions will require signed enterprise versions of linux

I already sign my own linux kernel for use with secure boot. I'm sure some sort of self-signing workaround will be possible.

>google's native client browser technology will be increasingly invoked to run native code on your machine, and the use of this will quickly evolve to be mainly distributed computing, essentially turning every web connected computer into everyone's (read: corporations') hardware

This has already happened really. What I see in my browser extensions terrifies me, but if you want to be even more concerned, see what librejs finds when running for a while and how much of the web breaks for you.

>legal enforcement of the internet as a public speech zone whereby hate speech and bullying is criminalized, precipitating a push for legislation whereby "real id" only logins are required on all sites that fall under EU/US jurisdiction

There are already countries that do this, and it isn't so strange. Abuse, obscenity, and hate speech are not protected speech in the EU or US, and why should they be? There are limits to what people should be allowed to say, classic examples like yelling fire in a crowded theater or inciting a pogrom come to mind. That said, speech shouldn't be regulated simply because it hurts peoples feelings or someone doesn't like it. Instead, there are obvious real-world ramifications of some types of speech like bullying (which often results in real, serious psychological trauma), hate speech (which has all-too-often been employed as a smokescreen or scapegoat by demagogues vying for power), or obscenity (which also has demonstrated clear psychological harm, especially to small children and of course depending on the severity of the obscenity). Limits on being an asshole are entirely compatible with freedom.

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 No.19124

>>windows 10 will start automatically removing pirated content (software, music, movies) without the consent of the user, likely through windows defender as a "safety precaution"
No way, not even microsoft is this retarded. Pirates are a huge consumerbase, IIRC they are one of the reasons they dont crack down on pirated windows installs.

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 No.19128

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>>19124
>they are one of the reasons they dont crack down on pirated windows installs

I reckon they rather you in the bot net than not... $$$ not an issue, control is (market saturation).

>No way

Yes way... They will bend to big business, as soon as it becomes publicly acceptable to crack down hard on a simple copy of something... Frame it right with enough propaganda over the yrs, watching “pirate” movies will be a social stigma or something people snitch on! At which point everyone will say/(not moan too much) Microsoft is justified to put in such a scanner because of the “bad” people, and of course terror!

Also do you trust (main stream) virus scanners?
??? Some MIGHT currently log files you have with known lists ???

Future; yes deffo, this info will be used to follow offline file distribution, source, spread, copys, political and illegal content.
Why would any huge business with this tech at/near its fingertips just go meh - its only music, not worth it?

knock KNOCK - fuko squad!

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 No.19129

>hardware (routers etc.) will be required to ship with locked proprietary firmware to appease government regulators, making open source software unusable on such devices

i doubt that free software will be completely marginalized but it does concern me that pretty much all of our hardware comes from totalitarian shitholes.

yet, the worst thing that could happen is to bring that stuff back home. who knows what they would do to it here

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 No.19131

>>19129
>the worst thing that could happen is to bring that stuff back home. who knows what they would do to it here

wut?

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 No.19132

>>19128
Bend to what big businesses? They are big businesses.

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 No.19133

>>19128
that image is amazing

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 No.19138

are these ideas founded on anything? is there any kind of discussion this looks like paranoid ranting

>>19119
if that was the case why were there so many "dylan roof is not a terrorist" news articles?
hint: it has to do with skin

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 No.19140

>>19123
Free speech is a binary state. You either have it or you have restricted speech.

>>19138
Let's not get off-topic, but Dylan Roof wasn't considered a terrorist because he's not some Muslim extremist.

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 No.19142

>>19138
White supremacists align very well with the government.

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 No.19147

The good things of the past only worked because it was the past, an entirely different situation. You can't make the world forget decades and put everything back where it was. Whatever ideology, method or system, it likely only works in specific environments which are gone or will be gone by their very own efforts. Things like open source, free information, free speech, etc are contextual values, and sometimes not positive. They are certainly not what they were 20 years ago, and certainly not what's in your mind either.
I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow, or if that's any good or bad for anyone. Let's not go around assuming things now, shall we?

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 No.19148

>>19140
>free speech is a binary state
for some reason I doubt this. How do you define free speech?
>>19147
I feel like predicting the future is wasting valuable time spent creating the future.

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 No.19157


>windows 10 will start automatically removing pirated content (software, music, movies) without the consent of the user, likely through windows defender as a "safety precaution"

sounds more like apple. MS couldnt afford to pull some soykaf like that. even if they do, install linux/BSD on everyone you know's pc and you're done, who cares.

>surveillance infrastructure combined with liberally interpreted law will see that infrastructure used to target more than just terrorists, at first dealers in child exploitation material and drugs, and then to target those that infringe copyright

already happening, and they are already targeting fuarrrkING EVERYONE not just those you listed

>governments will heavily restrict strong crypto and ban anonymization technologies like onion routing for non-corporate entities, citing law enforcement concerns, making the use of such tech prima facie evidence of a crime

Yeah sounds reasonable, this will totally happen in UK or something. Cameron go!

>some guy fawkes mask wearing kid will likely do something stupid and violent, and the fallout will be that hackers and activists will be considered terrorists

did you mean: a random dude wearin a guy fawkes mask will punch a cop or something and the media will make a big propaganda deal of it

>hardware (routers etc.) will be required to ship with locked proprietary firmware to appease government regulators, making open source software unusable on such devices

>>19116
>>19113
>>19112
is that actually true in the US? as in the cable provider asshats dictate what router you have to use? it was just outlawed in germany so thats cool :)

>further advances in trusted computing will force open source software off new hardware, and dominant virtualization solutions will require signed enterprise versions of linux

nah

>google's native client browser technology will be increasingly invoked to run native code on your machine, and the use of this will quickly evolve to be mainly distributed computing, essentially turning every web connected computer into everyone's (read: corporations') hardware

apple is the company currently pushing the "we own your hardware" end of things. As long as people tolerate (read: buy) that crap, other companies will try to mimic that, so yes, it will continue

>legal enforcement of the internet as a public speech zone whereby hate speech and bullying is criminalized, precipitating a push for legislation whereby "real id" only logins are required on all sites that fall under EU/US jurisdiction

There is always brickheads who want things like that, but de factor due to how insecure DNS is we already have that: Contrary to common misconception, the web is NOT anonymous! Maybe for people with very limited technological ability, but not for corporations or the police.

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 No.19171

>>19140
>>19148
The issue is to determine in which cases of controversial "speech" the basic human right of free speech / freedom of expression applies, and that is also what constitutes a certain gray zone because not all cases are clear from a legislative point of view. And obviously it varies per country. Personally, I think free speech in USA, UK and other western countries is already kaput because of internet censorship and NSA bull soykaf anti terror laws.

Also yes the definition is pretty goddamn clear its like in all the human rights thingies and so on

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

>Freedom of speech is the right to communicate one's opinions and ideas without fear of government retaliation or censorship. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.


>Governments restrict speech with varying limitations. Common limitations on speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, right to privacy, right to be forgotten, public security, public order, public nuisance, campaign finance reform and oppression. Whether these limitations can be justified under the harm principle depends upon whether influencing a third party's opinions or actions adversely to the second party constitutes such harm or not. Governmental and other compulsory organizations often have policies restricting the freedom of speech for political reasons, for example, speech codes at state schools.


>>19148
>I feel like predicting the future is wasting valuable time spent creating the future.
Posting in a lainchan thread about predicting the future is clearly a recreational activity with little immediate impact on the future.

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 No.19174

>>19171
what specific internet censorship are you referring to? and which anti terror laws? FREEDOM?

>Posting in a lainchan thread about predicting the future is clearly a recreational activity with little immediate impact on the future.

it's also creating the future :p

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 No.19180

>>19157
Well, it's not the ISP dictating was router you use, it's essentially that virtually every router is produced or goes through an American company at some point, and backdoor are generally put in them. Cisco/Linksys being the most command, and Motorola as well.

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 No.19182

>>19180
err, common. Not command.

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 No.19183

>>19171
>Personally, I think free speech in USA, UK and other western countries is already kaput because of internet censorship and NSA bull soykaf anti terror laws.
It is. You also have no freedom to publish whatever you want on the internet. The people who control the wires and DNS can easily shut you down.

>>19148
>How do you define free speech?
If I can say or publish whatever I want, including libel, threats, lies, and whatnot, then I have free speech.

I don't usually vie for anarchy, but I suppose this is equivalent to anarchy.

Can you imagine what the media would be like if they were just allowed to lie whenever it suited them? Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

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 No.19184

>>19124
As someone who recently worked for Microsoft I can safely say that OPs fears will certainly not happen in windows 10 and probably never will

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 No.19197

>>19123
>There are limits to what people should be allowed to say

Holy fuarrrk, kill yourself immediately.

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 No.19202

>>19180
The issue is not the router software, you can flash openWRT on them to avoid the backdoors. The issue is if the ISP/cable assholes give you the login so that you can connect your CUSTOM home router to their cable.

>>19174

>what specific internet censorship are you referring to? and which anti terror laws? FREEDOM?

i dont know the names which is why i didnt write them up, but in USA there is this law that allows NSA (i think) to force companies to give them access to stuff because terror or something that also forbids them to talk about it

see the bottom of this page:
>The administration of lainchan.org has been issued 0 (zero) requests for information by any third party, including but not limited to government agencies.
this is a thingy that the lainchan guys would be allowed to REMOVE if they got that kind of request thingy, but they would not be allowed to put the counter to 1

and the UK have this thing where ISPs are required to blacklist and block websites that are porn related or "evil" in some other ways

you can contact your isp to opt out of the filters but its like "HEY HELLO THERE I WATCH PORN AND IM SUSPICIOUS OR SOMETHING" so it's like.. meh

>>19197
uh, man, do you want some random dude at google or you bank to post your private info on the internet?

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 No.19203

(cont)
There is good reason why there are privacy protection laws in some countries.

Furthermore, there is always stuff that is illegal to say. For example, in the interest of safe coexistence, it's not only illegal to directly kill other people, but also to talk other people into it. That would be a limit for freedom of speech, too.

You should probably stop being an edgy teenager sometime.

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 No.19205

>>19202
>would be allowed to REMOVE
>they would not be allowed to put the counter to 1
Doubtful. It hasn't even been tested in court, but a court would side with the government and allow them to force lainchan to put up whatever they want them to put up.

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 No.19207

>>19205
I see, Sounds reasonable. But the concept was something like that wasn't it.

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 No.19208

>>19207
Oh that's definitely the concept, whether it will work or not is anyone's guess (my guess is no).

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 No.19228

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There will always be a way to bypass anything. There will always be anger towards a certain piece of equipment. There will always be a person. Personally i think computer cafes will come back again.

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 No.19232

>>19228
They won't. Why go to a computer cafe when there's free wifi everywhere and you always have a smartphone/laptop/tablet with you?

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 No.19234

Because they've got info about anti-censorship stuff. Perhaps software on some deniable wireless box.

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 No.19249

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>>19232
Hopefully a growing part of the population will consider again and value their freedom more than convenience.

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 No.19305

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>>19249
The internet cafes would have its own internet with info already stored on its server. Stuff like Ebooks, Free software, Torrents, movies.

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 No.19309

>>19305
what would be a good way of browsing through something like this?

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 No.19310

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>>19309
This is a good start
http://piratebox.cc/start
PirateBox is a DIY anonymous offline file-sharing and communications system built with free software and inexpensive off-the-shelf hardware.

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 No.19330

Holograms

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 No.19475

Found this linked on another chan.

>Installed the Fall Update, Windows 10 decided to delete an application without asking


https://np.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3strsd/installed_the_fall_update_windows_10_decided_to/

>After updating, I get a notification that CPUID, a simple program that tells you your motherboard, chipset and memory information, is now uninstalled as it's "not supported".


>TH2 uninstalled my joystick driver and configuration software :(


>Its happened on Speccy too


>You agreed to let Microsoft do this by using Windows. Check Section 7(b) of the Microsoft Services Agreement: >https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/servicesagreement/


...and following that...

>b. We may automatically check your version of the software, which is necessary to provide the Services and download software updates or configuration changes, without charging you, to update, enhance and further develop the Services, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games or using unauthorised hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services. Such updates shall be subject to these Terms unless additional or other terms accompany the updates, in which case, those other terms apply. If you decline to accept the additional or other terms applicable to the updates, you may not receive or use the updates. Microsoft isn't obligated to make any updates available and doesn't guarantee that we will support the version of the system for which you licensed the software.

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 No.19491

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>>19475
>After updating, I get a notification that CPUID, a simple program that tells you your motherboard, chipset and memory information, is now uninstalled as it's "not supported".

I heard that some benchmark software gives a lower or higher performance depending on the type of hardware you have. So you're forced to buy different and more expensive hardware. Do you think Microsoft is trying to hide its propriety hardware?

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 No.19505

This thread is all the reason I need to switch back to windows as fast as I can. They days are counting down, perhaps by 2017 I won't be able to play the pirated versions of my favorite windows-only games.

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 No.19507

>>19505
you will be able to play the windows games that are your favorite NOW by running them on wine :) don't worry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law

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 No.19509

Honestly, I think what will most likely happen is that Windows 10 is just going to keep getting more and more bloated while OS X and Linux start getting more traction due to the high adoption of iPhones and iPads and feature rich distros like Kubuntu.

Not to mention, if you explain how Linux has fewer restrictions than Windows or how OS X is slightly better due to it not being Windows (having a dedicated App Store and such) I'm sure the adoption of Linux and Macs will go up.

Windows 10 was honestly very underwhelming.

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 No.19571

>>19509
i think microsoft will find a way to hide it hardware specs so it can sell you trash.

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 No.20112

>>19111
I just went to this thread for that picture.

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 No.20410

>>19184
can you offer any proof? provided it won't compromise your anonymity ofc

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 No.20411

>>19305
>>19232
maybe combine this idea with the new hip trend of makerspaces. 3D printing is still prohibitively expensive enough for most people that it makes sense to go someplace that has one instead of buying one's own.



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