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Social Engineering: The Art of Human Hacking by Christopher Hadnagy

From elicitation, pretexting, influence, and manipulation, all aspects of social engineering are picked apart, discussed, and explained by using real world examples, personal experience, and the Science & Technology behind them to unraveled the mystery in social engineering.

>>18094
I've always wanted to be better at social engineering. I can do a fair bit under most circumstances, but not all the time.

Here's a website dedicated to all aspects of how you change what others think, believe, feel and do.

http://www.changingminds.org/

I've spent hours having fun reading it.

>>18131
>>18095
>>18094
>>18094
what is this
i've been good at lying to and manipulating people since I was a kid
is it the same thing?

You'll regret this

>>18137
might be agreeing with this.
at some point i got really good at lying and making others believe what i wanted them to believe, which kinda became my second nature and i was doing this unconsciously; lying became normal and i was lying everywhere and to everyone to make my life easier - it was easier.
then i started noticing that half of my life is lies - not necessary ones. i tried to slow down a bit, but it turned out to be very difficult, to stop lying - and catching yourself on lying started adding that moral aspect to it, and i felt bad each time i caught myself lying or thinking of another lie.
the worst thing though, is when you stop lying, it's fuarrrking boring - conversations are boring, and some people are just not meant for naked truth all the time - they're either too stupid and are unable to deal with it, or twist your truth in some fuarrrked up ways.
I miss being that person, now I have those morals that stop me from doing it, but at the same time I have my pride and moral strength that I didn't have before - and I believe it is more satisfying that being the one lying and manipulating.

>>18137
I appreciate your concerns about this. I agree it can turn bad.

But with the amount of idiots out there need to be slapped, would it be nice to save time and save conflicts?
It's not like you're passing the TPP, but more like trying to reduce your rent.

>>18138
Do you think a psychologist would help you with that?
I might be wrong here, but there's more to manipulation than lying. Most of the time it isn't necessary in every day conversations... unless you're a politician.

There are some defcon videos on yt covering this topic, I found them p enjoyable
>>18134
there's more to it but yeah that's basically what soc. eng. comes down to

so , how did you guys practice social engineering ?
i kind of read the art of human hacking yet i can't get myself to test it on people .

>>18200
Here's something helpful for you

http://www.net-security.org/article.php?id=1342

>>18151
He doesn't need a psychologist. What made you think lying is wrong anon? It's just popular opinion and not even one that most people actually follow. They'll tell little lies that they think they can get away with, without even thinking about it really, the only real difference is you've realized you're able to get away with a lot more than people realize.

And when you describe it being boring otherwise - is it really wrong to lie for the sake of entertaining yourself? A lot of humor relies on lying, making people believe whatever bull soykaf just for a laugh.

I wouldn't lie to people who trust you. I mean, without 'revealing' the lie, like when you make it clear you're joking with your expression or just coming out shortly afterwards. Otherwise, I don't see the problem.

It is stressful because there is a stigma against 'liars', people tend to think in terms of 'bad apples'. If you do one bad thing, you're probably simply bad in general. If you lie, you'll probably cheat steal and kill, too. I think it's rooted in the idea of sinners.

But for most cases, there's little actual consequence to be found out you told a lie. Who takes that seriously? With an acquaintance, they'll be annoyed with you, but it's mostly confused why you even bothered. Like, why did you say you were born in Russia when you weren't? It's just an odd thing to do.

>>18383
In this culture of moral relativism (e.g. "don't label people, you bigot!") it is difficult to construe individual actions as good or bad.

I'm aligning more with some kind of moral pragmatism these days: what's good is what works. Of course what "works" depends on your goal, so not documenting your code is still bad, if your goal was to have someone else understand it easily.

>>19042
>what's good is what works
that doesn't work because it doesn't analyse the end goal's moral weight. also it must mean it if something does not work it cannot be moral e.g successfully raping your sister to death is more moral than messing up a sudoku puzzle.