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Putting facebook in its place Anonymous 2015-10-06 15:27:42 No.16872

As much as I want to be a recluse I have close normie friends who use Facebook and schedule events on Facebook. So I got an account for the sole purpose of private events and groups which I use through Tor at home.

I also use it on my phone though orweb with orbot. But the mobile website is impossible. So my plan is:
1. Get the app.
2. Firewall it with afwall
3. Block everything with CMs privacy guard feature
4. Bridge it with Orbot.

My concern is that CMs privacy guard will be insufficient and Facebook will still send personal data to its servers that I don't approve of.

Anonymous 2015-10-06 15:32:31 No.16874

>>16872
>facejew(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Anonymous 2015-10-06 15:35:24 No.16876

Don't use facebook.

Seriously, just don't. If your friends won't communicate with you any other way than through facebook, are they really your friends?

Anonymous 2015-10-06 15:47:32 No.16881

>>16874
i can understand your dislike of facebook, most of lainchan does, but this isn't 8ch or /pol/ we do not blame the jews for everything.

sage for offtopic post

Anonymous 2015-10-06 15:52:00 No.16883

>>16881
>we
You don't speak for everyone here. Facebook gets that name because it's owned by a jew. It's as simple as that. Get over yourself.

>>16872
Facebook will notice that this IP is only monitoring events in a certain area and will be able to track you like that. The only way you're going to get out of facebook's tracking is to not use facebook at all.

Anonymous 2015-10-06 16:07:20 No.16885

>>16876
I would love closing my Facebook account, but most of my friends are not in the country and Facebook chat is the easiest way: don't like WhatsApp, don't trust Telegram. And there is Skype... I really hate it, but I hate more what Tox devs did.

Anonymous 2015-10-06 16:09:32 No.16886

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If you really need to use Facebook dont install the app in your phone, its the worst thing you can do.
Browse it in you computer with NoScript, uBlock, etc. If you just want to use in your phone get TinFoil for Facebook on F-Droid.

People try to make you think that Facebook is a necessity, but it really isn't.

Anonymous 2015-10-06 16:15:21 No.16890

OP, please read this:
http://observer.com/2011/12/in-which-eben-moglen-like-legit-yells-at-me-for-being-on-facebook-2/

>>16881
Don't reply, just report.

Anonymous 2015-10-06 16:18:24 No.16892

>>16885
What about XMPP or even IRC?

Anonymous 2015-10-06 16:19:16 No.16893

>>16885
get the to install the crypto.cat extension then you can easily communicate by just pressing the extension button and joining the same channel

Anonymous 2015-10-06 20:15:18 No.16905

>>16890
>like-legit-yells-at-me
Clickbait game's strong. It reads like the author is trying to exaggerate her side to feel victimized. Moglen is completely right.
>>16881
It's really obviously a running joke. Megacorps, shady three-letter organizations, media conglomerates, etc are mostly run by Jews. In this case especially, Mark Zuckerberg is Jewish. Coincidence or no it's a way to say that something benefits somebody else more than the end user. Saying that something jewed you (e.g. DDR machine that eats your quarter) is nothing new.
Staff is just touchy because of the occasional /pol/ floods.

Anonymous 2015-10-06 20:41:04 No.16908

I'm also a college student and most of my peers use fb for communication especially when it comes to uni stuff. It was a hard decision but I have just started to appreciate how at ease my mind feels these days.
I also used to stalk female acquaintances I no longer keep contact with.
At the end of the day the pros of not having a fb account outweigh the cons.

Anonymous 2015-10-06 21:08:47 No.16912

Encountering a similar problem, but mines mostly my wife. She loves posting pictures of me and the pets and stuff, so she'll get all pissy with me if I get rid of my facebook. So what I've done is basically keep it as sterile and generic as possible. No political options, no controversial likes, friends with actual friends and family only. I actually kind of like it because if someone's looking for me, they'll find me, and all the information will be totally painless and innocuous. That being said I don't use it on my phone or my main computer, and have been considering deleting it.

OP 2015-10-06 22:29:19 No.16921

>>16876
They can communicate with me just fine. The problem is they communicate with each other on facebook with private groups and that leaves me out on certain things. As much as they want and try to keep me informed, it's a burden on them to maintain a separate line of communication when one private group handles everything.

>>16883
If it use facebook through Tor then wouldn't that hide my IP? Isn't that the one thing that Tor does well?

>>16885
What did the Tox devs do?

>>16886
>TinFoil for Facebook on F-Droid
sounds like a possible solution. Bridge that with Orbot and I should be g2g.

>>16890
preaching to the choir.

>>16893
tried that. They seem to have lost their lease with facebook or something so it doesn't work anymore.

I was actually intending on making this a "How can I exert complete control over an android or CM system" so when an app asks for privileges to turn on my mic and soykaf it can't but I can still install and run the app. But w/e.

Anonymous 2015-10-06 22:33:36 No.16922

>>16908
I'm attending a uni atm and most people don't bat an eye when they find out I don't have a facebook account. I deleted mine after graduating high school a couple years ago mainly because I just felt this notion that everyone was trying to keep up with the joneses. Like you'd think that sentiment wouldn't start to appear until you're thirty-something; it was just this constant stream of noise over signal but I digress. Snapchat and Instagram have been the new hotness, lads; had facebook not bought out the latter, they likely would have gone away like Myspace.

Anonymous 2015-10-06 23:47:13 No.16932

I've had my Facebook account since it opened for my school in 2005. I was a freshman at the time and to be honest, the best Facebook experience was when it was only for college/uni students. I stuck around after graduating because so many of my friends and the people I've met were on it.

At some point in 2010-2013, it turned to a shitshow when people started posting useless and mindless crap. And I was tired of seeing that everyday. In July 2013, I decided to logout and never login again. Funny thing is that most of my "friends" didn't even notice I went AWOL. Only a few reached out to me by other means to check if I was okay.

Anonymous 2015-10-07 04:04:17 No.16953

at that point the only personal data that gets transmitted is all of your actions when you're using the mobile app. in that case, I would suggest developing some kind of operations security for the app as well. Probably something like
>put the absolute minimum amount of required information on facebook and set the privacy settings to the most private
>use features randomly to obscure what you're actually using facebook for
>use features counter to what you'd normally do so facebook gets the wrong idea of how you're using it
>lie about all personal details

a good long-term solution would be an app that allows you to interact with facebook as minimally as possible, however an even better long term solution would be a social network that can replace facebook.

I heard someone else in the thread mention tinfoil for facebook, you could check it out if you want but from my experience it was basically just the mobile website

>>16892
second. pidgin and chatsecure are XMPP clients that support OTR encryption (pidgin with the right plugin) also allow you to connect to facebook. chatsecure unfortunately doesn't do group chats however pidgin does with the right extension. This is actually more convenient because it means you don't need the facebook website or messenger open to be available on facebook. try pitching this to your friends

>>16893
I've tried cryptocat before, it's also a good pitch

>>16883
facebook gets that name because of how easily it lets antisemitism seep into discussions about online privacy, and *chan culture is loaded with antisemitism. Mark Zuckerberg is an atheist.

>>16905
could you please explain to me why this is clickbait? from my reading, the author is trying to address a serious problem that gets overlooked frequently: "good" opsec forces the user to make a lot of decisions about lifestyle that they might deem more costly than securing themselves, or defeat the purpose of securing themselves altogether.

>>16921
oh, the thread went in a completely different direction, didn't it? the two apps I know of are app ops and xprivacy (part of the xposed framework). See if they have what you're looking for.

Anonymous 2015-10-14 03:14:12 No.17531

>>16932
>Funny thing is that most of my "friends" didn't even notice I went AWOL.

This is so true. After I deleted mine, people would ask me "You don't have a facebook anymore? I can't find you" and I'd be like "I deleted it like 6 months ago."

I kept contact with actual friends through Whatsapp and Skype, the rest weren't really my friends.

Anonymous 2015-10-14 15:53:16 No.17550

I "deleted" my facebook exactly on january 1st this year . They said that i do not log in for 2 weeks for the process of deactivation to complete.

I never tried since then to log in in fear for them to reactivate my account again.

Anyone tried to log in after deactivation?
Do they activate it or what?

Anonymous 2015-10-14 18:24:53 No.17551

>>16883
>You don't speak for everyone here. Facebook gets that name because it's owned by a jew. It's as simple as that. Get over yourself.
And oopsie, it just happen to chime well with that conspiracy theory about the omnipotence of jews...

God thing that the mods nipped this in the bud.

>>16905
>It's really obviously a running joke.
Not funny.

Anonymous 2015-10-15 02:23:29 No.17577

The problem with completly isolating yourself from the botnet is that you need to be an autist that is very selective with their friends and ditches names and SSI's daily to really be efective. Even if you don't give up your own data your browsing history and your friends can by extension. Just getting tagged in a picture is a fault of security; something which FB occasionally asks you to do in place of a capatcha.

I mean; No marketer is going to go so far as to play detective with a mass amount of facebook-avoiding users. I'm just saying that facebook is big enough now to always have a minimum of info about you.

Anonymous 2015-10-15 04:29:04 No.17584

Your mom will eventually get on facebook and post pictures of you along with your name.

Anonymous 2015-10-15 09:21:44 No.17589

>>17531
You know that WhatsApp is Facebook, no? I would say they have a huge chance to merge in the near future.

My own experience having deleted facebook: I deleted, waited one year, made a new account with fake name, fake mail, no phone number (yes, it is possible), blocked timeline. Now it's just a glorified messenger.

Anonymous 2015-10-15 10:53:52 No.17592

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>>17550
>>17531
>>17589

>neurosuggesting that shekelberg actually deletes your data after "deactivation"

Anonymous 2015-10-15 11:09:17 No.17593

>>17589
>>made a new account with fake name, fake mail, no phone number (yes, it is possible), blocked timeline
>neurosuggesting Zack fuarrrkerberg doesnt have his hands deep into ass of his software engineers to know who you are and what you do

The moment I left facebook is when I noticed an ad for gym suplements(I never talked about gym on facebook, just visited a couple of times a local gym with no facebook group and no registration, just a basement of some body builder).
The only possible way that I could have gotten those ads was if messenger app on my phone at the time recorded my gps location(while messenger/gps was off) and that it correlated with other people in the gym.
Only fuarrrking possible way, and I really re-checked if I did talk or I didn't about gym at all on facebook.
Facebook is pure evil.

Anonymous 2015-10-15 12:10:43 No.17597

>>17592
That's why I made sure to delete all my comments and pictures ever posted before I deactivated it. I even changed the name to a bogus name (never used my real one at all anyway). So even if shekelberg still has my account on file it's just an empty account now. Surprisingly it took nearly two weeks just to delete every post from the last three years I've had it.

Anonymous 2015-10-15 12:26:43 No.17598

>>17592
I didn't suggest it, I don't really believe in it. Deleting the account is just a way to not charge it with data anymore. And social data has to be updated to be useful, otherwise is just loses value.

Anonymous 2015-10-15 14:08:06 No.17601

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>>16885
>>16921
Pardon me but I feel that question has passed unremarked. Is there something bad about tox?
I'm currently trying to make my friend group shift from skype to tox, I'm not leading them into a honeypot I hope.

Anonymous 2015-10-15 14:47:46 No.17602

>>17601
Jesus christ it's not a honeypot. It's just not done yet.

Anonymous 2015-10-15 14:51:40 No.17603

>>17602
excuse me for not knowing but >>16885 phrasing really alarmed me.
Thank you for the response.

Anonymous 2015-10-16 01:02:59 No.17630

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>>16953
>a good long-term solution would be an app that allows you to interact with facebook as minimally as possible,
I met some people in Montreal who spoke of an app that someone was developing that would scrape facebook (and other sources?) for music local listings. Musicians all use facebook to promote themselves because they have to but talk to enough of them and you'll realize, "I have to" is the only reason for quite a few of them. Many of them actually detest it. This app if it ever saw the light of day would allow people to reap the benefits of facebook without having to actually log into it.

>however an even better long term solution would be a social network that can replace facebook.
Good luck ever getting enough people to use it. The reason everyone uses facebook in the first place is that everyone else is already there. Sorry to sound so negative but this idea literally predates facebook and has never flown; creating alternatives to myspace were suggested too.

Anonymous 2015-10-16 02:11:11 No.17631

>>17630
well, alternatives to myspace won out in the end, didn't they?
anyway some important researchers have written about how facebook's days are pretty numbered, it will probably go the way of myspace in 2016 or so, most people I know are leaving it now for other networks

Anonymous 2015-10-16 02:13:31 No.17632

>>17631
By "alternatives" I didn't mean facebook. That's just a competitor who edged them out; a continuation of the same phenomenon.

Anonymous 2015-10-16 08:32:01 No.17641

>>16876
I'm so sick of this shitty "drop them if they won't drop facebook for you" response. Have you ever thought about it the other way? What makes you think you're such a good friend that you're worth their efforts to go out of their way and contact you?

Thanks but no thanks, I'd rather have friends and a social life, even if they're not "real" enough by your standards. They still make my life better than being stuck in a basement all day fixing arch and brewing soykaf .

I just spoof my UA and use their old mobile site designed for dumbphones which doesn't require javascript. Tor is pointless. Facebook already has a good idea where you live around based on your social circle.

Anonymous 2015-10-16 17:40:50 No.17654

>>17589
>You know that WhatsApp is Facebook, no?
Yeah, I know. I don't dislike facebook for the whole "they're spying on us" reason, I just find it boring. I don't dislike social media in general.

>>17641
>Thanks but no thanks, I'd rather have friends and a social life
You realize you can do that without Facebook, right?

Anonymous 2015-10-16 22:04:54 No.17658

>>17631
Facebook is fighting tooth and nail to show those optimistic predictions wrong.

Anonymous 2015-10-17 04:07:39 No.17666

>>17632
Facebook is like myspace, but with a prettier face and a shittier personality

Anonymous 2015-10-17 07:34:44 No.17670

>>17631
>anyway some important researchers have written about how facebook's days are pretty numbered, it will probably go the way of myspace in 2016 or so

Sauce on this?

I'm doubtful on this stance anyway as they have enormous resources comparable to Google and like them pretty much became a synonym for Internet. If I look in my own social circles, everything related to their social life goes trough Facebook or a Google instance when they're a little more tech-savvy. Nobody I know use mail outside formal/professional context. It's a whole new level, Facebook swallowed the Internet.

I don't think the next thing supposed to take his throne will be any better anyway.

Anonymous 2015-10-22 21:48:51 No.18033

>>16908
Same, but I am deleting after I graduate. Cannot wait.

Anonymous 2015-10-24 01:43:44 No.18080

>>17631
Can we get a look at what research you're talking about?

>>17641
Over time I've kinda felt the same. While I deleted my account, I noticed that it really wasn't too bad. It has soykaf privacy but it was so convenient that I was talking to people all the time. Now nobody wants to talk to me because "oh... you don't have facebook". I ditched facebook to make real friends and the opposite happened. Nobody wants to just sms me because they don't want to waste creds. Not even installing telegram or something, I've got one friend on telegram, and one "best" friend who doesn't talk to me anymore. I guess I can count one of my other friends since we accidentally started working at the same place and grew close again.

Anonymous 2015-10-29 01:55:56 No.18395

>>17641
I can concur with this but for the opposite reasons; see I've never had FB or anything of the sort and now find that I'm completely out of all loops locally speaking. When your entire social life revolves around events consisting of 100-200 attendees and no one uses anything but FB to promote it, the only other option is walking around the street hoping to see a familiar face to ask "what's going on tonight" because texting everyone you know every weekend to ask is just going to annoy them and evoke the inevitable "just get on facebook like everyone else". My friend actually made paper flyers a while ago and when he handed me one said "now you have no excuse". But this is a rare occasion these days.

Anonymous 2015-11-03 20:25:26 No.18688

>>16908
I recently moved to a new University and have come under a similar pressure. It seems that the vast majority of people have Facebook accounts, and use them to make announcements about classes, communicate with instructors even, in addition to arranging more social things.

Perhaps I am strange, but the social aspects of it do not really attract me. I am not really the sort of person who attends parties, and, though for the first bit of classes the communication it provided seemed an attractive quality, that has since decreased. I have never had a Facebook account, or any other 'social media' with the exception of two internet forums, chans, and email. I live on a different continent from my family and many of my friends, and have arranged to communicate with all the people who I really want to talk to via email and tox. This works for me quite well.

>>17593
>The only possible way that I could have gotten those ads was if messenger app on my phone at the time recorded my gps location

Interesting. This is I suppose why I never carry my cellphone with me.

Anonymous 2015-11-03 21:41:45 No.18693

>>18395
This is scary as fuarrrk man. Since when does a corporation have the right to decide whether you have a social life or not?

This whole "if you don't have a facebook you have no life" is scary as fuarrrk.

Anonymous 2015-11-03 22:11:15 No.18694

>>18693
I agree, tho the fact that it's working so well scares me more. What happened to simple, everyday critical-thinking ? People seem to buy anything which makes us vulnerable as a whole, to ourselves, if that still makes any sense.

Anonymous 2015-11-03 22:30:23 No.18695

>>18693
deleting facebook and changing your number is all you need to instantly go to no friends and I know from experiance

Anonymous 2015-11-04 00:53:35 No.18703

>>18695
I think we should try to find ways to exist within the system and preserve our integrity. Not having a facebook especially if you are in school, is a lot of work.

Anonymous 2015-11-04 06:19:29 No.18719

>>18695
Stop hanging out with people who aren't on IRC.

Anonymous 2015-11-04 19:02:24 No.18731

>>18395
>When your entire social life revolves around events consisting of 100-200 attendees

Perhaps this is where we differ, you and I. My social life generally revolves around conversing directly with a small number of people and for this different means of communication are quite suited. Like you I have never had a Facebook account, and I am distinctly aware that this represents a barrier to my entry into certain social circles.

The thing is, about those social circles which require me to be on Facebook? I want nothing to do with them. So I get by fine.

Anonymous 2015-11-05 07:06:09 No.18772

Rather than using carrier pidgins to communicate with everyone, use a free app called Signal. I'm sure many people on lainchan use it. It's so easy to use your mother can use it, the app doesn't cost you anything to send over long distances, and has 1GB of media storage to send to your friends when in comparison sms only has about 30kb. It even has encrypted group chats.

Also the EFF gave the app 7/7 on their scorecard. see: https://www.eff.org/secure-messaging-scorecard

Sadly, social media is a necessary evil in the modern world. Not only for employers, but having a connection with someone is useful for networking. Would you like to have a good job or expand opportunities?

That said, a nicely done app called "Conversations" will reduce the risk of facebook spying on your phone as it is a xmpp client. Using the official fb app has many nefarious tricks that will do to get around any blocking. for your username in Conversations, just write your.username@chat.facebook.com

your username is found in the url on your profile

Anonymous 2015-11-05 09:38:55 No.18775

>>18695
I haven't had a Facebook for four years now, and I have more friends than most *channers. Not a lot, but as much as I want.

Seriously, it's not hard to have friends without a Facebook.

Anonymous 2015-11-05 14:16:45 No.18788

>>16885
>don't trust Telegram
You too, huh? My paranoid friends have started moving to that and I just can't make myself trust it.

Anonymous 2015-11-05 15:13:29 No.18789

>>18788
>guys you're secure in Telegram, I won't share keys like evil facebook
might as well just give lend money to strangers in a dead end

Anonymous 2015-11-05 15:54:02 No.18790

>>16886
This. If you need to use Facebook, just use the normal website on your computer with ublock/noscript, and the app "tinfoil" on android.

But really, you don't need it. Facebook's just a fad anyways. Give it time and it won't be around anymore.

Anonymous 2015-11-05 19:35:10 No.18798

>>17601
One of the devs took 6000 dollars from and indiegogo campaign to make documentation. Didn't do it.

Anonymous 2015-11-05 19:50:01 No.18801

>>18790
No old people are all in with Facebook, so it will probably take 20 years to fall as far as myspace.

Myspace and Friendster were just building blocks till facebook perfected the formula and took over.

Anonymous 2015-11-07 01:54:28 No.18878

>>18788
>>18789
Telegram is a confirmed honeypot http://www.albawabaeg.com/66794

I've been trying to get friends to switch to Tox

>>18798
What are you talking about? The docs are in rough form and a WIP but he's definitely doing them. https://github.com/Tox-Docs/Text/tree/master/src_text

Anonymous 2015-11-07 02:36:42 No.18879

>>18878
>Telegram is a confirmed honeypot

you're an idiot. There was probably loads of metadata analysis and active surveillance happening on these people.

Anonymous 2015-11-07 02:57:08 No.18885

>>18879
>There was probably loads of metadata analysis and active surveillance happening on these people.

Telegram is cloud-based, which means the authorities can easily request all that metadata to be streamed right into their hands just by saying the magic word: "terrorist". In other words, it's a honeypot, just like Skype. Anyone who knows anything at all about security knows that you can't trust servers that aren't under your physical control, even if the data is encrypted.

Anonymous 2015-11-08 16:39:56 No.18955

>>18879
Or maybe they just planted a dude on the Telegram group?

Anonymous 2015-11-09 05:39:22 No.18974

>>18790
>Give it time and it won't be around anymore.

Perhaps, but could the same not be said for previous social media outlets such as MySpace, and (God forbid) Geocities? Though Geocities is a different sort of case, the principle remains the same - if the Facebook giant is ever snuffed out, there will always be the next best thing for the masses to latch on to. I think the issue of always being a step aside of social media will always be a thing considering that Facebook is very unlikely to be the last megaservice. From a standpoint of ethics, it may be more beneficial to seek an alternative, as opposed to playing the waiting game.

I personally think that if Facebook ever gets the boot, LinkedIn would swiftly pick up the remains. But then again, who knows. Considering the sheer size and market share of Facebook, >>18801 isn't too conceivably far off with a 20-year estimate.

Anonymous 2015-11-09 16:42:04 No.18999

>>18885
>you can't trust servers that aren't under your physical control

long story short

Anonymous 2015-11-10 15:48:50 No.19046

OP, if your friends can't bother to invite you by some other means than through facebook, it may be time to find real friends.