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 No.20311[Reply]

>>Tor-site thread

Hi all I recently started using Tor, do you got any cool sites & forums to recommend?

>>I only got one site to locally buy drugz.

>>Searching mostly for Cyberpunk & Hacking

>>What tor-sites do you browse?

>>Will post sites / forums when I find.
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 No.20317

>>20311

I work for your local government, lainon. We'll be there shortly.

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 No.20416

just go on the tor wiki, which links to the .onion tor wiki, which links to like everything.

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 No.20432

>>20311
Try googling it.

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 No.20433

>>20313
The point of tor is it doesn't matter if the authorities know about the sites. What's dangerous is them knowing you know about the sites.

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 No.20438

spot the fed


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 No.18747[Reply]

Should all data really be free?

Do you pirate?

>inb4 nice try, etc, etc...

This covers everything. Whatever, rom music, software, video, and textbooks.

Do you personally think it is morally okay to do this, if you do, how can you justify this?

In your opinion, do you think laws should be more relaxed about pirating/file-sharing? If so, how do you think they should be changed, and how do you think it would effect society?
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 No.20197

>>19797
At least read the post you're replying to before you pour the soykaf in the thread

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 No.20399

>>18747
I think people have a right to make money off the soykaf they create,but only for so long. This actually benefits everyone as far as I can see, creators included. It forces them to not settle with resting on their laurels after they make one big hit, like how software developers are expected to make new releases, and under a lot of models you don't pay for every point release (could you imagine?)
the reason we're at the point where we even need to ask this is because we've forgotten copyright was intended to strike a balance between intellectual property and the public domain, and if you value access to knowledge and culture, you should probably lean towards protecting the public domain over entities like disney who are already more than capable of protecting themselves.

tl;dr I recognize that people have to be compensated fr their work, but after some period of time they have to give up the exclusive right to monetize the thing.

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 No.20409

>>20197
check.

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 No.20418

My waifu will pay for games if they're DRM free and respects the user, if not she pirates cracked DRM free games. She only uses libre software (which is usually free) but donates if it's good.

She thinks you should pay for it if it respects the users freedom and is reasonably priced. If not then weigh anchor and hoist the mizzen mateys!

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 No.20437

>>18747
Copyright: Enforced by a near threat of retribution that is disproportionate to the crime of theft.

Copyleft: Enforced by a distant threat of retribution that is massively disproportionate to the 'crime' of producing a useful artifact.


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 No.20384[Reply]

Present day - Present time

2015 - 12 - 3

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Fik5jkg2hK
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 No.20408

>>20406
>Brock Lee

pls

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 No.20422

>>20398
>expecting immersion to technology to spark creativity
Hell no, there will just be new versions of goybook that capitalize on VR. No creativity, only isolation from reality and the world.

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 No.20434

>>20402

Humanity is far from a "degenerate species which was never meant to be".
They are one of nature's most useful resources.

It was humanity that brought about the age of "spiritual machines", the metaverse and beyond.

Everything that exists within the universe helps to drive forward evolution and change.

>>20422

Using tools such as Medium (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IreEK-abHio), VR programming environments, shared multiplayer creative sessions etc people will have more ease and freedom to create.
Soon, within 10 to 15 years society as you know it is going to collapse.
People will no longer need to work, the fleshnet will be fully automated and most resources will be easily obtainable through nanotechnology engineering and 3D printing.
Food will be grown locally at a vertical farm, housing will be mass produced using nanotech and 3D printing so everyone born into the country will have shelter and food.
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 No.20435

The civilization that came about from the industrial revolution, the 20th century civilization is about to come to an end.

There is going to be no use for a monetary system, even bitcoin.
Government too will cease to be, as everyone will unite under one planetary government that is run and operated both by humans and A.I. (this will eventually shift to 100% A.I.).

Think about it this way.
When people have access to everything they could ever hope or desire in full-immersion VR, why would they use the energy to go out into the fleshnet and slave away for a poor copy that withers away with time.
Sex, food, socialization, entertainment, your dream life all awaits you in FIVR.

There is no such thing as "real" or "reality".
This is something the general public is going to have to be eased into, but it's something everyone will have to come to accept with time.

Just like how we now know the planet to not be flat, or that eugenics doesn't work, people will come to realize that all existence is is computation.

We are mathematical anomaly that came into being over time and over the course of evolution.
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 No.20436

>>20406

It wasn't poetry ...

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/429561/the-measurement-that-would-reveal-the-universe-as-a-computer-simulation/

"SpacemanJupiter Mar 29, 2014
I'm not really sure why people always equate this type of theory to literal computer processing like we earthlings have 'invented' at an infinitely small scale with our desktop PC's, super computers, mobile devices, etc.. I think it's more accurate to say that we are simulating what is fundamentally an operation of consciousness. Before the physical universe there was consciousness. Before consciousness there was a potential. A state. That state becomes dimly aware that it can change states, from ON or 1, to OFF or 0. The consciousness evolves developing more states, more awareness. It multiplies, divides, experiments, eventually creating rules that non physical consciousness normally doesn't adhere to, but these rules create experiences and constraints, physics, the physical. In that respect you could call this a simulation. We're living in a set of rules that you can probably break down to a grid, then on or off states, binary so to speak. As this might be the case, the physical universe would be infinite in all directions and the 'universe' doesn't exist without objects to create coordinates. It explains a lot really, the simulation theory, but mathematics, binary, programming, simulation, it's all a product of consciousness. The consciousness can't have experience without constraints, rule sets (physics), on and off, light and dark, duality, etc.. thus the universe (simulation) was created. But calling our universe a simulation is too robotic and computery when it's really not because of the addition of more fundamental elements such as consciousness, awareness and emotion. That leads me to assume that a so called computer simulation here on earth could with enough complexity develop its own conscious awareness, its own emotions, and it wouldn't be any less real or natural than our own because that is fundamentally what consciousness is. I have not been drinking tonight."

also violence is dumb and regressive


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 No.19932[Reply]

Fully automated machines hacking and patching vulnerable code.
How does this make you feel lainons?

https://youtu.be/gnyCbU7jGYA
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 No.20373

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>>19932

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 No.20423

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>>20324
>>20357
>>20370

they put like 20 of them on a network and have them all attack/defend each other... to the death

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 No.20424

>>20423
Like that urban legend with cs1.6 and how the bots eventually stopped fighting after years of being on the same server.

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 No.20430

>>20424
what?

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 No.20431

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>>20430
Just an urban legend. Takes me back though.


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 No.20340[Reply]

Hey fellow lains, I printed up lainzine vol. 2 with hopes of passing a few out(leaving places mostly). Do you lains have any ideas? Also the spacing between letters was off and its black and white, what do you think?
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 No.20414

>>20341
>That kerning

Fuck I know. I really hope they step up the design for LZ3

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 No.20417

honestly i would wait tell a really good one

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 No.20419

>>20414
those are free fonts, you dog.

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 No.20420

>>20340

Try printing a little booklet, 2 pages per side and staple down the middle. Check if that font still works tho.

Could be easier to stash in magazine racks and whatnot. It would look like a doujin manga but once opened... nice text wall.

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 No.20429

>>20420

give it a nice glossy cover


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 No.20200[Reply]

we've all heard about cyberpunk and cipherpunk, but here's something new:

textpunk.

That's right. Textpunk

Newspaper articles, BBSs (like this one), IRC, ASCII art, Kopipe, program source code, Novels, View HTML source, Google search engine, Mathematics, Hieroglyphics, The Rosetta Stone, Gutenberg Bible...

A textpunk doesn't sit there waiting for information to be slowly fed to him drip at a time by the gogglebox. A textpunk is thirsty for knowledge and 100% focused - they read old school hacker textfile zines. They don't waste their time with lame imageboarders: instead they're doing crazy abstract brewing soykaf on /prog/ with thoughts and concepts twisted up so with many levels of irony that it becomes an art form.

Textpunks recognize and understand the true power of kopipe - how a well crafted piece of text can be so damn powerful that it alone can trigger thousands of replies with so much veracity within days. They see *through* things down into the core of what really counts, everything in the computer is built of text, ascii, strings of bits - They don't care about the latest 3D GUI environment fads. No, that's just a distraction. 7-bit clean ascii program source code. That's textpunk.

Look at how text has shaped humanity: The birth of writing systems was correlated with some of fastest advances of science and technology in early human history. Mass production of the Bible took power away from a few select monks and democratized paving the way for people to start thinking for themselves. Programming is text and it's the closest thing there is in the world to true wizardy and spell casting. Talking about real SICP-type programming here, not that modern garbage.

Today textpunks build up digital libraries of books and stick it to the copyright cartel. Schwarz, lib gen, the gentoomen library, and so many anonymous sources that tireless scan and collect books.. Textpunks are the people in tune with modern digital society of ultrafast cost-free transmission of text, they're the ones rethinking and revolutionizing publishing mixing it with open rights and making works available online.
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 No.20321

>>20241
right in the op it says
>a well crafted piece of text can be so damn powerful that it alone can trigger thousands of replies with so much veracity within days.
bretty sure this is hipster elitist trolling, at least in part.
I know you get wicked hacker cred for ditching guis but acting like cli is always objectively better ignores so much of the human experience it makes me a little sad.

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 No.20425

>>20253
Is there any archive of all the el8/anti-sec stuff?

I can post what I have but I'm pretty sure it's incomplete.

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 No.20426

>>20425
apparently I lost all my el8 stuff when my raid crashed a year back ;_;

post some ~el8?

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 No.20427

>>20425
>>20426

I'm not sure it's the whole collection, but I hope it helps.

http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/EL8/

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 No.20428

>>20427
Thanks -- I had that, but I also had two or so anti-sec zines (which I believe was the same group as el8, or at least the same clique), and I'm pretty sure I had one more straight up ~el8 release.

back yr soykaf up, lains.


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 No.20350[Reply]

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151130/12190132946/mom-my-barbie-needs-better-firewall.shtml

Thoughts?
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 No.20360

So yeah, the hello barbie has some major security and privacy concerns, and that is a huge problem with it, and needs to be addressed and ensured children are protected from spying eyes. (I'm not really sure why, considering literally everyone is always being spied on, but whatever.)

But I do think there's an upside to it; I think it'll cause the next generation to more readily accept machines, and hopefully robots, androids etc. if they grew up with "smart" toys.

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 No.20361

>>20355
I really don't see why people are buying "smart" 4k tv's.
1- who the fuarrrk even watches live tv anymore other than sports and even then it is moving more towards streaming
2-they are all filled with ridiculous amounts of bloatware which could be replaced with a dumb tv/ korean pc monitor and a raspberry pie or other micro pc for a fraction of the cost
3-there is literally no 4k content for it outside of youtube and I think maybe sky has one channel

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 No.20363

>>20361

if you think technology gains mainstream use just because of tech and not because of convenience and marketing, you're in for a bad surprise.

That's the reason why people use soykaf tech: because it's there, it's convenient and does a half-good job of what they need.

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 No.20365

>>20361

Because no one knows what any of it means, 4K is just marketing. No one knows that you can't tell the difference between 1080p and 4K from 6 feet away or that 4K content doesn't exist or that their internet connection couldn't handle it even if there was or that their Xbox One or PS4 will never be able to play games at 4K or that they could have boughten a better quality 1080p screen for less and it'd look even better for TV use.

4K is for content creators, programmers, and /tech/ spergs, but 4K monitors are expensive as fuarrrk so you're only realistic option is a 4K TV.

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 No.20421

>>20355
Shit, you're onto me. Gotta disappear.

But for real, people who say stupid soykaf like that is so annoying. Of course there won't be pushback, people don't care. Which is concerning. Or maybe they would care, they are just not educated in the area/know about it. There's a quote in Brave New World about people eventually loving their servitude, something alone the lines of:

“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” The world is seemingly becoming more and more this way. I want out of this crazy fuarrrking world.


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 No.19283[Reply]

What are your thoughts on this article? I found it pretty convincing. Plus a project like secushare is very /cyb/ and I'd love to hear people's thoughts on that

http://secushare.org/PGP
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 No.20415

>>19283
makes sense to me. Honestly it seems like email is completely outmoded as a way of privately doing anything, it's a shame we have to rely on it for accounts and such.


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 No.18753[Reply]

I'm planning on starting a shareblog for early underground/alternative videogames.

Most sites focusing on older games look at them for their retro aesthetic or mainstream influence, I want to introduce more interesting & radical games, like LSD: Dream Emulator, Lack of Love, Cosmology of Kyoto, etc.

And I want to provide the links to the roms conveniently right there like the old music blogspots used to. They aren't all abandonware, some might even be contemporary indie releases.

So I have 3 questions for lainchan:
>how worried should I be about liability/takedown?
>what steps should I take to protect myself?
>what's the ideal blog API to use?
>what's the ideal filehost to use?

I've looked at using blogspot, wordpress, tumblr and wikia but I don't think any are the right way to go - the interface is too clunky and they seem very sensitive to takedowns. I don't mind paying for a server host & domain but I don't want to actually pay for the data for user downloads. I'm thinking of mega for the filehost as its fast, easy to organize and backup. But is it still secure?

A note on what I'm looking for in the interface:
I'd like the site to exist more like a database than can be accessed for recommendations rather than a blog that people follow for updates - like most blogs are presented in order of newest to oldest, and the posts categorized by month and year. I'd rather have it categorized by system, developer, generation, genre, etc. similar to a recommendations wiki, discogs or erowid. Does anyone know existing examples of what I mean? Any suggestions on an API?
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 No.18893

>>18873

There's a website that hosts like a ton of old games. Mostly stuff from MS-DOS but a lot of other cool stuff too.

https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_msdos_games

So I guess they did it already. So I guess I don't see why reinventing a platform for hosting these games will do any good.

I was thinking really cool articles built with a kind unconventional interface like this

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/year-ahead-2016/

Would be a bigger draw than just rehosting the games.

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 No.18894

>>18893

Like I mean they have everything...

https://archive.org/details/consolelivingroom

https://archive.org/details/internetarcade

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 No.18896

>>18894
>>18893
Not him, but I think he wants to have a somewhat of a more "refined collection" of not just any "old game" but games that may be important in whatever way. Bringing light to some games we should be aware of for whatever reason. But I'm sure he'll answer.

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 No.19055

>>18896
Yeh of course, I'm just saying. The games already exist for that. No need to go out and hack the ROM yourself right. I like the idea of spotlighting games in an artful way. Not so much just a place where an old game ROM is hosted once in a while.

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 No.20413

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>>19055
Most of the systems on Archive.org uses their web emulator. If Archive's collection goes down (or gets asked to take them down - though they do currently have a special allowance to make outmoded software accessible) the roms are lost too. More resilient is allowing users to download the roms and run them with their own client-side emulators. They're definitely a great site but that one pf centralization is a flaw in their archiving, I think it's due to dodging copyright.

And yes >>18896 a refined collection is the idea. For example, Archive.org hosts 'complete' archives for different MAME versions (though they're not actually complete), which, in isolation, isn't much use to an individual who doesn't know what they're looking for or have the time to test out the entire collection.
My site would point you towards MAME roms of more special interest. Danmaku shooters, for example.

Sorry it's been almost a month since I got back to the thread. I've been busy with work but I'll try and have the site setup and started by the end of January. I've been filling out the games I intend to list and slowly collecting and uploading them in the meantime.

I'm think I'll just code the site myself in basic html.
It'll be easier to backup to onion if TPP passes, too.


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 No.18458[Reply]

A brain makes more operations than a current machine can compute.

A brain also does a lot of stuff other than developing abstract thoughts (controlling vital functions, handling sensorial data, etc).

Maybe a simplified version of a brain capable of having thoughts could actually be simulated in a current computer.

Maybe if the meaning of "consciousness" is formalized, an even simpler implementation can be made, which would be equivalent to a brain but extremely more efficient.

Maybe current machines can't simulate a brain in real time, but they actually can simulate it in slow motion (1 second of thought per week of computation).

Maybe you can map the evolution of another non-linear system into a thought (the motion of water in a very specific container, the evolution of the large scale structure of the universe, the phase of photons coming from a wall).

AI is the god we are looking for. It is the final answer.

Share your ideas. Maybe try something. Who says we can't get somewhere. Most of the potential in ourselves and in the things around us goes completely unexplored.
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 No.20077

>>20056
This is a good question I think we would all like to know the answer to, but in the end it doesn't matter and we can probably never know. A good enough PRNG is indistinguishable from true random.
If people want to say that the brain needs a high quality RNG to work its magic that doesn't really hurt the robots as we already use quantum effects in computers for cryptography (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_hardware_random_number_generators.)
>>20046
Evolution is essentially minimax with alpha-beta pruning. There is some cleverness there but not all that much. I think we have surpassed evolution in that respect, so if we were able to simulate on the scale and timeline of evolution we could probably create something intelligent quicker.
>>20067
>the wii and the pc dolphin runs on are very similar
>brains are completely different
This is true, however
>you'd first need a processing unit that resembles brains a lot more then the current soykaf
I don't think this need be the case. AI doesn't have to work like us, it just has to act like us. Reverse engineering the brain can give us clues to how we can emulate it, but our implementation can be completely different. Of course if we want to "upload our consciousness" you're probably right, but not for creating entirely new intelligence. Keep in mind the brain was brought to you by the same process that gave us the appendix and wisdom teeth. It's probably far from optimal.

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 No.20078

>>20067
This reminds me of another article that I can't find the link to at the moment. The gist was that neurons in the brain perform more complicated operations on their input signals than originally thought, and the takeaway was that the analogy of neurons to single gates in a chip is probably too simplistic.

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 No.20331

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>>18458
>Maybe if the meaning of "consciousness" is formalized, an even simpler implementation can be made, which would be equivalent to a brain but extremely more efficient.
I like Michio Kaku's definition of consciousness, myself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GS2rxROcPo

>AI is the god we are looking for. It is the final answer.
maybe, assuming there's such a thing as a final answer.

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 No.20332

>>20331
Sorry but that guys definition is complete bullsoykaf. Consciousness is by its nature, not quantifiable. He's doing the usual thing people do where they take one of the soft problems of consciousness (in this case being able to react to external input) and equate this to the hard problem of consciousness (i.e. why do we actually experience things?). There is no evidence for a link between responses to stimuli and consciousness and his quantification of consciousness is in fact nothing more than a quantification of capability to respond to stimuli. Moreover, there is no experiment I could construct to disprove his theory that responses to stimuli and consciousness are linked meaning it's scientifically worthless.

This is a well explored problem. It's been well known for a long time that taking some other properties of conscious beings and equating it to consciousness is scientifically incredibly unsound. Moreover it's been known that there are no scientifically sound ways to study consciousness. One cannot use empiricism to study unmeasurable phenomena. I think there's just something about the problem and wanting to understand our own existence that draws people to it anyway.

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 No.20412

>>18458
So if I'm understanding you correctly, as far as we can tell consciousness is irrevocably subjective?


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