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 No.2543[Reply]

I hope this is on-topic for this board.
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fin

nothing is impossible, comrades

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 No.2566

hell yeah its on topic I fuarrrking love tin tin

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 No.2569

Haha I'm digging skinskin over here


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ID: 5bf6d1 No.18847[Reply]

Don't go all pol/ keep it to ideas that might help shape such a project.

In time for the end of the next revolution, we need somthing new to put in place, somthing at least half ready to do its job. For if we just follow history we will end up again with rulers of one type or another.

We have had many systems of control and order, each “progression” becoming larger and more complex. We have had many systems of voting and power division.

Until recently there was no realistic way for “the people” to control or dictate the workings of government, only to vote for someone else to control and govern. This is ultimately not allowing “the people” to have a near proportional say in the workings of humanity. We just have a 2 way switch between parties that ultimately are engaged in keeping the interests of PRIVATE businesses and wealth above that of a truly equal and just society. This seems to hold true in many shapes and guises the world over, all be it with variations on voting and ruling systems, but ultimately there is deliberate distancing of the people, for the benefit of the few.

So come the revolution, as we clean the blood off the walls… What then?
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ID: 5bf6d1 No.18848

>>18847
What if we could build a system from the ground up - not like anything designed before… Having input from every person in the system for the benefit of “the people”. Maybe that means profits go down, businesses change and markets will have to adapt, but a true and fair system is worth all the GDP in the world (especially if its not locked up in digital numbers, off shore somewhere remote, by the very few)!

My thoughts are in areas… Voting and Control.

If the internet was used as a 24/7 sculpting tool for government.
Each person is issued a user ID and login.. From hear they login to a gov. website and start voting…
Not for your favourite cheese smiler (like we do now), but on each and every-single voting decision normally undertaken by the politicians.

Real time votes coming in - like an ebay auction, up comes an issue and you have XXX days to vote on it. And like Reddit you can dive into all sorts of interests and sub interests to vote on.
If you are not knowledgeable about a topic then you will most probably pass and concentrate on things that you know about or are directly affected by.

The source code for the site would of course have to be open source and written “by the people for the people”.
All gov. employees will be monitored 24/7 when at work (web cameras in offices, and police head-cams, available for anyone to login to and view) - all data from meetings & investigations to be available in the most convenient formats to view, process, search and archive.

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ID: 5bf6d1 No.18849

>>18848
I would like to stipulate that these things be provided by the state without profit & with preference to all other operations. This will not be allowed to be voted on for change as this should (with edits and discussion) constitutes basic human rights in a modern civilization.

1) Clean water supply.
2) Sewage treatment.
3) Internet access and communications (phone/3G).
4) Energy supply as this is a resource for all and not for the profit of the few.
5) Advanced Health Care.
6) Transportation, Roads & infrastructure.
7) The right for YOU to build YOUR own home on YOUR own land.
8) Money issued by Gov. not by privet banks.

The operation and details of these utilities and services should be controlled by the voting system and have their own dedicated sections, but their existence will not be erasable.

I leave defence off the list as 1) I ain’t lookin’ for ruck… and 2) With current fast turn around modern manufacturing the need for defence can be met in real time. Technology is moving so fast having a standing anything is pointless, by the time its used it will be out of date. Obviously the level of defence can be up for the vote, as too the way we do it.
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ID: 5bf6d1 No.18850

>>18849

THIS IS NOT COMMUNISM!

I think centralization is ok - it gives great beinifits of scale - especialy with water and power etc.

But currently the running of centralized systems always falls into corruption… the proposed continuous monitoring and voting system would hopfully enable the containment, control and riddence of corruption.

We are centralizing the resorces but distributing the control/power. That is the big diffrence in this propsal. We get the best of both, efficiancy centralization and economy of scale but without corruption.

I belive there could be a way of implementing all types of realtime graphs and information presentation for the voter.
Like a reddit setup where you can delve into and select the areas you want to be voting on or looking at, but leave the things you have no concern with.
So if e.g. one votes for a 1% IRS you see the total amount raised by that % and then you see next to it the total budget required to operate… so as you reduce the IRS % you will see money come out of services - you can also vote to what services take what prioerty and budget %.

There will be "noise" initialy but I expect that to settle relativly soon, as people become genuinly involved in the running of society. It's not like Rome was built in a day! This could expand over all areas of gov. - and like a wiki all specilist areas will develope and come together to form somthing grater than the sum of the parts!
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ID: 5bf6d1 No.18851

>>18850
> last thoughts…

Money must be crypto (not falsely controlled).

The applications must be FOSS.
The databases distributed.
The voting encrypted and anon & TOTALY secure!

My initial thoughts are like a combo of TOX and dark-coin.

keeping things encrypted and distributed using Bit-torrent types tech.
Using Dark-coin type tech to make sure 1 vote per topic per person. Along the lines of coins are issued and then spent - although Anon still can only be 1 per voting topic per person - ensured by crypto coin type security.

Votes are non transferable and it is a use it or loose it basis (this stops vote hoarding to get disproportional say in a specific topic, it also stops those who are ambivalent to the political system hoarding and then selling their votes!) Every person can vote once on every topic - votes can be changed until the last sec.
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 No.14467[Reply]

So, the Raspberry guys stripped their old board, applied some software tweaks to run at 1GHz and put a 5$ price tag on their device.

Meanwhile, the 9$ CHIP is on its way with a tablet CPU clocked at 1GHz with wifi and bluetooth on board, and (planned) mainline linux kernel and opensource everything.

What are your opinions on these devices?
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 No.14579

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Which SOC would be best for running just a simple tor bridge?

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 No.14581

>>14579
something MIPS probably

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 No.14586

>>14575
Honestly, I'm less offended about the broadcom stuff, then the fact that you need to purchase licenses to get the SoC to do the hardware decoding that it was already designed to do.

It's pure crippleware, and this soykaf needs to stop!


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 No.14589

keep it off the internet like a smart person anyways and you'll be fine with the nonfree garbage on it. as an exceedingly portable and disposably cheap device for programming, I think it's exciting. they just need to make more


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 No.20311[Reply]

>>Tor-site thread

Hi all I recently started using Tor, do you got any cool sites & forums to recommend?

>>I only got one site to locally buy drugz.

>>Searching mostly for Cyberpunk & Hacking

>>What tor-sites do you browse?

>>Will post sites / forums when I find.
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 No.20317

>>20311

I work for your local government, lainon. We'll be there shortly.

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 No.20416

just go on the tor wiki, which links to the .onion tor wiki, which links to like everything.

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 No.20432

>>20311
Try googling it.

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 No.20433

>>20313
The point of tor is it doesn't matter if the authorities know about the sites. What's dangerous is them knowing you know about the sites.

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 No.20438

spot the fed


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 No.18747[Reply]

Should all data really be free?

Do you pirate?

>inb4 nice try, etc, etc...

This covers everything. Whatever, rom music, software, video, and textbooks.

Do you personally think it is morally okay to do this, if you do, how can you justify this?

In your opinion, do you think laws should be more relaxed about pirating/file-sharing? If so, how do you think they should be changed, and how do you think it would effect society?
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 No.20197

>>19797
At least read the post you're replying to before you pour the soykaf in the thread

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 No.20399

>>18747
I think people have a right to make money off the soykaf they create,but only for so long. This actually benefits everyone as far as I can see, creators included. It forces them to not settle with resting on their laurels after they make one big hit, like how software developers are expected to make new releases, and under a lot of models you don't pay for every point release (could you imagine?)
the reason we're at the point where we even need to ask this is because we've forgotten copyright was intended to strike a balance between intellectual property and the public domain, and if you value access to knowledge and culture, you should probably lean towards protecting the public domain over entities like disney who are already more than capable of protecting themselves.

tl;dr I recognize that people have to be compensated fr their work, but after some period of time they have to give up the exclusive right to monetize the thing.

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 No.20409

>>20197
check.

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 No.20418

My waifu will pay for games if they're DRM free and respects the user, if not she pirates cracked DRM free games. She only uses libre software (which is usually free) but donates if it's good.

She thinks you should pay for it if it respects the users freedom and is reasonably priced. If not then weigh anchor and hoist the mizzen mateys!

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 No.20437

>>18747
Copyright: Enforced by a near threat of retribution that is disproportionate to the crime of theft.

Copyleft: Enforced by a distant threat of retribution that is massively disproportionate to the 'crime' of producing a useful artifact.


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 No.8397[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Let's help eachother make our Linux lives more comfy. Whether it be useful scripts, extensions\add ons, programs, or commands.

I'll start with some Gnome extensions.

Force Quit adds an "X" on your top bar that you can click and then click on an application to force quit it. A quick xkill button https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/770/force-quit/

Imgur Screenshot Uploader lets you take a screenshot of your whole screen, A window, or an area you select and then auto upload it to imgur and provide you a link so you can quickly share screenshots
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/683/imgur-screenshot-uploader/

Show Desktop from Overview lets you click on an empty space when you open the overview "by pressing the window\super key" to hide all open windows and show you the desktop.
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/496/show-desktop-from-overview/

Shellshape is one of my favorites. It automatically tiles all your open windows and resizes your windows once you open and close one.
https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/294/shellshape/

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 No.14563

I've been learning Bash lately, what's some cool stuff to do with it?
What do you often write scripts for?

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 No.14565

>>14563
What I like the most about bash is how you can just put cli commands in the scripts and execute them or use their output.
The script I write more often is 
for i in *; do command "$i"; done
for extracting all files in a folder or things like that. You can also pipe stuff around to have progressbars and such fancy things.
I don't like how you end up using complicated regex sometimes if you want to select just a portion of text.

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 No.14571

>>14563
on the fly website blocker

#!/bin/bash

if [[ $EUID -ne 0 ]]; then
echo "Must run as root."
exit 1
fi
block_sites="reddit.com tumblr.com huffingtonpost.com google.com"

unblock_sites() {
echo "unblocking sites"
mv /etc/hosts.bak /etc/hosts
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 No.14572

>>14571
>>14563
Checks your current weather!

#!/bin/bash
# 
#  WTFPL 2015

LOCATION=KDAA
# station list at: http://www.rap.ucar.edu/weather/surface/stations.txt

NEW=$(wget -qO- "http://www.weather.gov/data/current_obs/${LOCATION}.xml"\
| sed -nr '/<(weather|temp_f)>/s/.*>(.*)<.*/\1/p' 2>/dev/null)
if [ "x$NEW" != x ]; then
NEW=$(echo "$NEW" | awk 'BEGIN{RS="";FS="\n"}{printf "%s %s\xb0",$1,$2}')
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 No.14588

There's something I want to do but don't know if it's possible or easy.
I want to disallow the loading of certain elements per website, for example don't show banners on lainchan, don't show the languages list on wikipedia, etc.
and maybe change things like background colors and such.
It would make browsing a lot more comfy and (I think) save a bit of bandwith.
Is it possible to download a site's CSS/HTML, modify it and tell the browser to load the site's content using that custom configuration?
There surely is a Firefox addon for this but I'm using dwb on arch.


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 No.14561[Reply]

Lets have a thread about space, specifically current space technologies.
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 No.14582

I sure wish NASA was still relevant.

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 No.14583

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 No.14584

>>14583
We did win the space race though, neither the USSR or the US never went past the moon on a manned mission. America was the first one on another celiestal body in space, sure I give props for Russia and it's achievments, but American surged ahead towards the end.

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 No.14585

>>14584
the space race was the race into space which the russians won. The yanks then changed the goal line, dumped millions into nasa, rushed to the moon and killed a teacher.


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 No.12485[Reply]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em_tDc1Gc40

https://www.fstar-lang.org/#introduction

This looks extremely cool. It has dependent types and SMT solver to prove code correct, uses monads for effects.

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 No.20384[Reply]

Present day - Present time

2015 - 12 - 3

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Fik5jkg2hK
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 No.20408

>>20406
>Brock Lee

pls

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 No.20422

>>20398
>expecting immersion to technology to spark creativity
Hell no, there will just be new versions of goybook that capitalize on VR. No creativity, only isolation from reality and the world.

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 No.20434

>>20402

Humanity is far from a "degenerate species which was never meant to be".
They are one of nature's most useful resources.

It was humanity that brought about the age of "spiritual machines", the metaverse and beyond.

Everything that exists within the universe helps to drive forward evolution and change.

>>20422

Using tools such as Medium (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IreEK-abHio), VR programming environments, shared multiplayer creative sessions etc people will have more ease and freedom to create.
Soon, within 10 to 15 years society as you know it is going to collapse.
People will no longer need to work, the fleshnet will be fully automated and most resources will be easily obtainable through nanotechnology engineering and 3D printing.
Food will be grown locally at a vertical farm, housing will be mass produced using nanotech and 3D printing so everyone born into the country will have shelter and food.
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 No.20435

The civilization that came about from the industrial revolution, the 20th century civilization is about to come to an end.

There is going to be no use for a monetary system, even bitcoin.
Government too will cease to be, as everyone will unite under one planetary government that is run and operated both by humans and A.I. (this will eventually shift to 100% A.I.).

Think about it this way.
When people have access to everything they could ever hope or desire in full-immersion VR, why would they use the energy to go out into the fleshnet and slave away for a poor copy that withers away with time.
Sex, food, socialization, entertainment, your dream life all awaits you in FIVR.

There is no such thing as "real" or "reality".
This is something the general public is going to have to be eased into, but it's something everyone will have to come to accept with time.

Just like how we now know the planet to not be flat, or that eugenics doesn't work, people will come to realize that all existence is is computation.

We are mathematical anomaly that came into being over time and over the course of evolution.
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 No.20436

>>20406

It wasn't poetry ...

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/429561/the-measurement-that-would-reveal-the-universe-as-a-computer-simulation/

"SpacemanJupiter Mar 29, 2014
I'm not really sure why people always equate this type of theory to literal computer processing like we earthlings have 'invented' at an infinitely small scale with our desktop PC's, super computers, mobile devices, etc.. I think it's more accurate to say that we are simulating what is fundamentally an operation of consciousness. Before the physical universe there was consciousness. Before consciousness there was a potential. A state. That state becomes dimly aware that it can change states, from ON or 1, to OFF or 0. The consciousness evolves developing more states, more awareness. It multiplies, divides, experiments, eventually creating rules that non physical consciousness normally doesn't adhere to, but these rules create experiences and constraints, physics, the physical. In that respect you could call this a simulation. We're living in a set of rules that you can probably break down to a grid, then on or off states, binary so to speak. As this might be the case, the physical universe would be infinite in all directions and the 'universe' doesn't exist without objects to create coordinates. It explains a lot really, the simulation theory, but mathematics, binary, programming, simulation, it's all a product of consciousness. The consciousness can't have experience without constraints, rule sets (physics), on and off, light and dark, duality, etc.. thus the universe (simulation) was created. But calling our universe a simulation is too robotic and computery when it's really not because of the addition of more fundamental elements such as consciousness, awareness and emotion. That leads me to assume that a so called computer simulation here on earth could with enough complexity develop its own conscious awareness, its own emotions, and it wouldn't be any less real or natural than our own because that is fundamentally what consciousness is. I have not been drinking tonight."

also violence is dumb and regressive


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 No.12482[Reply]

Let's have a thread about containerization and sandboxing.

I love the idea of compartmentalizing things to increase security. A program that runs in a chroot generally wouldn't be able to see anything outside of its designated area - it's exactly like the matrix.

I'd been using a chroot to run my a web browser with flash player inside for a long time. Recently I've set up an LXC system (linux container) which is supposed to give stronger seperation than a chroot (it isolates more than just the filesystem).

I also use virtualbox for Windows XP (and Dosbox for DOS) - you can do all kinds of things like carefully select which USB devices get through to it, what internet it has. Unlinke a chroot or LXC, you are really running a sepearate OS kernel.

As with anything in security it has two sides: Feel free to discuss chroot breakout attacks, how a lxc container that has X forwarder could key log the host system and so on.
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 No.12484

I just read this in a 8/tech/ DNS thread:

>Also, if you're concerned about this, you should be aware that certain programs (like Steam, infamously) will monitor your DNS lookups and send those IP and hostname records to Steam HQ. They issue VAC bans based on IP lookups, if they think you're talking to a hack's DRM server.

I wonder if the bridge networking device that is set up for lxc would block stream from being able to snoop on your DNS requests (the ones happening outside the container)?


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 No.12365[Reply]

https://medium.com/@evnbr/coding-in-color-3a6db2743a1e#.56zigp1qh

I just read this article and wondered what lainchan thought of semmantic highlighting vs syntaxic highlighting ?

I think ssemantic highlighting could be a great help to avoid hours of debugging because of a typo in javascript, but I feel like it wouldn't matter that much in other languages. What do you think, lainons ?
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 No.12451

>>12433
I used that when a sadistic uni professor made us write long ass predicates and lambda calculus on paper. Pretty neat.

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 No.12463

>>12433
Why not have quasiquote highlighting?

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 No.12464

Kdevelop has had that feature forever. Because it hasn't become staple feature of other ides and editors I assume it's not so good. Typically good ideas get copied immediately by everyone in tech.

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>>12464
>Typically good ideas get copied immediately by everyone in

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 No.12483

my gut reaction to this is: Bad idea

syntax hilighting is usually computed using regular expressions - that's a very quick and limited language (sub-turing).

If you want semantic higlighting you would have to pull in a more complex language to figure things out and I imagine it being slow and not responsive as well as having added complexity which means more things could go wrong.


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 No.2761[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

RU: Так как наша основная база на 8ch.net/ddt оказалась заблокирована Роспотребнадзором, мы переезжаем сюда на какое-то время.

EN: Since our main base on 8ch.net/ddt got blocked by Rospotrebnadzor, we move here for some time.

There are English speakers among us, so you can get a reply in this thread, just keep in mind that you were warned that it’s supposed to be entirely in Russian, since as of now we’re the only community that constantly uses DDT and is alive.

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>>3025
Не поленился же кто-то, кнопку нарисовал.


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 No.12467[Reply]

Most of us have heard how amazing the Lisp machines of the 80s were, an operating system dedicated entirely to human-computer interaction and abstraction.

What I've noticed that myself and other lisp hackers end up doing is living out of an CL+Emacs ecosystem, bringing environment variables into the runtime from async shell calls, SBCL native handles etc, into S-expressions or M-x commands which turns these hooks and system objects into objects in our lisp environments.

I do this with my browsers as well, bringing DOM objects in from javascript compiled to from ParenScript Lisp (Common Lisp -> Javascript)
https://github.com/olewhalehunter/kommissar

This is all fine and well until you want to run your system on another machine or your computer crashes and you find yourself setting up your desktop from scratch.

I propose we collaborate on abstracting Linux system hooks, various windowing environment utilities, and any command line programs we use into the SBCL runtime, creating a portable Lisp virtual machine with the possibility of bootstrapping an even more powerful version of Emacs from the result.

Macros can then be created at a system level, we can even bind statistical data on command usage and create command topologies to speed up personal automation or even collaborate on distributed machine learning/AI systems.
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 No.12477

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I tried this before with much less forethought and ended up with a hunk of lisp spaghetti laying around, however I think this can really go far if we focus on providing a singular interface and robust installation procedures


so the logical first step for runtime functionality is hooking X keyboard input: at any point while mycelium is running you should be able to run commands (M-x lookups, emacs keybinds) without having to be focused on emacs

I'll start by hooking CLX to emacs, however I think people who are interested in contributing for now can just submit command line functions they like to hook in lists that we can compile and analyze to categorize

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 No.12478

>>12467
Here's the issue with all systems like this: UNIX is so poorly designed that you can't abstract over it like this.

Anyways, there's already a way to just use Emacs as the init and only user interface:
http://www.informatimago.com/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linux.html

Of course, Emacs Lisp is actually pretty gross compared to Common Lisp, but you have to understand that is entirely because Emacs is nice to use on UNIX, because Emacs has had to adapt to UNIX.

All of those niceties that make Emacs nice to use are what you get when you take a Lisp and specially craft it for a UNIX, because UNIX is broken beyond any hope for repair.

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 No.12479

So you want dmd, guix, scsh and emacs-guile but rewritten in Common Lisp?

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 No.12480

The more I think about this, the more it seems to me we're trying to make a lisp-systemd. No, I'm not trying to insult anyone. I think that's the closest to a full lisp machine we can emulate on a linux kernel. A daemon which runs as PID 1 as root and sts up services, and spawns a client which is essentially a lispy shell.Now the clients are full lisp runtimes and the server manages users and resource distribution on userspace acting as a middleman between kernel and user

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 No.12481

>>12480
This is actually sounds like a pretty good system design, especially when implementation matures.


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ID: 1e14d1 No.18447[Reply]

What are you doing to improve it? What are your methods?
Don't need to improve it? Why so? How so?
Don't know where to begin to improve it? Why not talk about it?

ITT: General mental health. Got stories? Want somewhere to just express your concerns or your problems? Why not here?

Right now, I just started a "head book" or so I like to call it. I have a lot of trouble remembering good advice, or why I choose to change something about myself (external appearance, habits, my internal talk about myself or what I think people think of me, quotes to repeat myself such as "always faithful", etc) or my life (why I wake up early, why I'm going to college).

I'm also reading psychology books such as: Invitation to Psychology by Carole Wade and Carrol Tavris, and Communication in our Lives by Julia T. Wood. If you want something to read in your spare time, I recommend the latter as it deals with communicating with others. Very insightful.

I'm 21. There's a lot that I'd like to improve about myself, like how quiet and unconfident I sound through my speech and my diction, my passivity, my temperament, and my physical being (skin tone, muscle, etc). I also hear that your diet (like caffeine and refined sugar) can really affect your mood and how you think.

Is there any other lain trying to improve their head?
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ID: ac983a No.18752

>>18719
>>18720
>>18721

Thanks. Definitely a good idea.

I took the time to read up regarding employee rights and I'll be contacting a lawyer soon anyway (along with the AFL-CIO), but basically I should be good. The only thing they could feasibly do to me is a lay-off, but that would actually be illegal if my position still exists and someone else went and did it, showing they didn't actually try and cut down on expenditures. Already from what I hear, they are trying to hire someone new (and do exactly what I do now; work both places). This doesn't really mean anything particular to me precisely, since the dude that's been stealing is supposed to do it anyway, and they could be trying to boot him and not me. But, I learned that a company is gonna keep some 42y/o loser that's been there for 4+ years - regardless if he steals - because the owners know the fuarrrker has no urge/qualifications to find something better. If he did, he wouldn't be there making like $9 and hour for so many years, then now upped to around $10 a few months ago.

They would, however, boot someone that knows that can do better, and they'll boot him/her faster, because it's easier getting rid of people that realize the job & pay you give them is way below living standards. Plus, being there for a few years, those employees will now start to expect raises; a big no-no in this case.

I have a few other rights, simply because I spoke out about this, but honestly, it's such a garbage job in the first place that it's not even worth contacting lawyers and soykaf anyway. Whatever the outcome I'll be fine; it'll give me more time to study Japanese, programming, my gaming/manga/anime/book backlog, and the like.

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ID: 514a9a No.18753

>>18719
I've heard that usually when someone threatens to leave with an ultimatum, they give in and then fire you as soon as they find a replacement

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ID: ac983a No.18755

>>18753

Then I'm fuarrrked. And it's obvious I am. I probably shouldn't have told the boss something along the lines of "if you get rid of him, I'll stay." But I did.

Owner comes in a few days later, tells me they aren't gonna get rid of him. If that doesn't tell me whats up then I don't know what else will. Plus all the other soykaf going on regarding a new hire.

Maybe I'll cut the bull soykaf and put my 2 weeks in (or just be a dick and quit straight-up.)

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ID: 1e14d1 No.18844

>>18718

I would say that happiness can be or is a conscious effort for sure. When I stop and try to look on the bright side of things and "just chill out", I find that it really helps

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ID: de6175 No.18846

>>18844
I like being happy now and then, but that's what drugs are for. People think it doesn't count but in my experience drug induced happiness is indistinguishable from that of other sources.
I know people like to hate on zizek but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U88jj6PSD7w


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ID: 519154 No.18312[Reply]

>hating on Ayn Rand
>not embracing le Atlas man
SHIGGY DIGGY
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ID: c305ba No.18829

>>18333
I'm somewhat similar, except I dislike socialism. But I also got the idea of self actualization out of the fountainhead. I like the idea that I'm in total control of myself and that all I have to do to realize my dreams is work. Makes you very self motivated.

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ID: 67cf9c No.18830

>>18829
>Would rather believe what feels nice, disregarding any relation between the belief and the truth of the matter

Seriously? I mean, I get that you like Rand, but that's just ridiculous. The truth matters more than any type of way you feel about the states of affairs in the world.

Also, people who "dislike socialism" usually have very little knowledge of it; are you one of those people?

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ID: c305ba No.18831

>>18830
Well I mean I do have total free will. I am in control of myself. If I wanted to jump off the building, I could. People would try to stop me, but I could. We don't, and shouldn't, have to ask permission to learn skills and create things. That both feels nice and is true.

I've talked to a lot of people who grow up under communism, specifically Mao and Deng. I think they know better than I do, and so I believe them when they say that it's less than desirable. Ultimately I'm a utilitarian, though. If socialism had done better, I'd be a socialist. The only thing I'm really an absolutist on is free speech, and the ability to create. The idea of living under like, one of the Chinese dynasties, where poets were executed for disagreeing with the government, scares me more than Bernie Sanders, I just think he's wrong.

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ID: 14a8f0 No.18843

>>18340
Ayn Rand is a retarded classcucked version of Max Stirner.

>"Oh we should all totally act in our own self-interest all the time"
>"Except when it conflicts with the captains of industry"
>muh virtuous job creator thank u for job
>muh spooks
>working class is actually obliged to absolutely not act at all in their own self-interest whatsoever as a result

Nah, fuarrrk her. Her philosophy is not only universally ridiculed by anyone other than neckbeard lolbertardians, but her ideas themselves are wholly not in dialogue with literally any of the Western canon whatsoever. She at best gave a superficial reading of Nietzsche and Stirner and pulled her special snowflake philosophy out of her ass as a result of this.

People who are interested in Rand at all would do well to reader Stirner and get de-spooked.

>>18831
Free will insofar as we can talk about it practically (metaphysically speaking, free will is one of the stupidest and most confused topics in all of philosophy that only intro students care about) is in no way incompatible with socialism. The opposite is true in fact.
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ID: 390d8c No.18845

>>18843
>People who are interested in Rand at all would do well to reader Stirner and get de-spooked.
I mean, I don't disagree.


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