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Haskell vs F# Anonymous 2015-11-20 12:22:16 No.12157

Should I pick up F# or Haskell?

I really like C# and I want to be a C# developer later, but right now I'm looking into functional programming as a hobby, could you help me decide, lainons?

F#
+I can use .Net
+Closer to my original domain of knowledge
+The company I'm interning is using it, could earn me plus points if I go for full-time here
-Not purely functional
-Questionable application outside the windows realm

Haskell:
+Great, sexy syntax
+If I could not get work advantages from F# I would instantly choose this
+Community seems cool, many tutorials and resources
-It is said to have a steep learning curve, not sure if I will be getting the kicks out of it

Could you list some more pros/cons for me, from the programmers point of view?

Anonymous 2015-11-20 12:29:04 No.12159

OP here, I've found another + for Haskell, it seems it can be used with arduino, since I'm getting mine in a few weeks that seems like a deciding factor

Anonymous 2015-11-20 12:54:38 No.12160

I don't understand the appeal of Haskell's syntax. All the examples I've seen looked really ugly.

Anonymous 2015-11-20 13:22:21 No.12161

Why not both?

Anonymous 2015-11-20 14:43:18 No.12163

>>12161
This. If you feel like you can't handle two at a time, go for F# because of the pragmatic advantages.

Anonymous 2015-11-20 14:48:28 No.12164

>>12163
I'm reading after C# a lot (currently about CLR) so I think I've got the motivation and time for just one of them.

Anonymous 2015-11-20 15:08:25 No.12165

>>12157
learn a lisp.

Anonymous 2015-11-20 15:23:47 No.12166

>>12165
But $not_a_lisp is a lisp!

Anonymous 2015-11-20 21:15:03 No.12190

F#, no brainer.

Anonymous 2015-11-21 03:09:06 No.12202

>The company I'm interning is using it, could earn me plus points if I go for full-time here

This sounds like a decisive factor to me. I'd pick Haskell personally, but only because I hate Microsoft.

Anonymous 2015-11-21 04:35:23 No.12204

Scala > F# > Haskell

Anonymous 2015-11-21 10:19:57 No.12212

>>12202
Isn't Microsoft one of the biggest Haskell funders?

Anonymous 2015-11-21 11:20:49 No.12213

I'd go F#, you can always look at haskell later, but you're familiar wit dotnet right now

Anonymous 2015-11-21 13:38:07 No.12214

>>12212
Big chunk of GHC development happens at Microsoft Research, who also employ Simon Peyton Jones.

Whatever anyone's thoughts on Microsoft's main work, the Research arm seems really cool and does a lot of good stuff.

Anonymous 2015-11-21 20:07:09 No.12224

>>12214
Yes, Microsoft's PLT research is pretty neat. It's a lot more interesting than Google's work with Go or Dart. I wonder how much F# Microsoft uses internally.

Anonymous 2015-11-21 21:05:14 No.12228

>>12224
F# isn't the only thing they do. They have F7, F* and some others as well.

Anonymous 2015-11-21 21:34:56 No.12229

>>12160
I read the 8 first chapters of LYAH in 3 days and by then I knew the basics of haskell (I don't understand monads or functors yet).
But Haskell has a really elegant syntax, it's lazy typed and purely functional.
I enjoy programming in C but Haskell just tickles me somewhere C cannot and vice versa.

Anonymous 2015-11-22 01:12:19 No.12236

Monads are just types where mutation can occur, like IO. I don't get why people exaggerate the learning curve of them.

Anonymous 2015-11-22 04:09:01 No.12241

>>12212
Is it? I don't know. Still, I don't think Haskell is tied into Microsoft's ecosystem the way F# is.

Anonymous 2015-11-22 06:21:48 No.12246

>>12241
Both Simon Peyton-Jones and Simon Marlow worked at Microsoft a few years ago presumably on projects like
https://github.com/Microsoft/bond

Anonymous 2015-11-22 08:29:08 No.12253

>>12236
>Monads are just types where mutation can occur, like IO
Not really.
Using the IO Monad is not difficult though, and can be easily learned even if you don't really grasp it.

Anonymous 2015-11-22 10:23:57 No.12256

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Haskell:
+Great, sexy syntax
lel, never. haskell is a soykaf language because of lazy evaluation being the default and the ugly as fuarrrk syntax.

the next version of ocaml (mid December) will bring non-GIL multi-threading, then, f# will become totally irrelevant/insignificant. (What is actually f#, if not a mere rip of ocaml for dot net by talentless people).

Anonymous 2015-11-22 10:39:17 No.12257

>>12256

For a beginner Haskell or Ocaml is just a different flavor of the same product (given that documentation often focus on the functional side of Ocaml).

Anonymous 2015-11-22 11:13:54 No.12258

It's not a good sign when people can't agree on what a supposedly simple concept actually is.

I still don't know what a monad is, but this just lets me know that it's unnecessary.

Anonymous 2015-11-22 11:24:14 No.12259

>>12258
Just think of it as a design pattern.

Anonymous 2015-11-22 11:27:02 No.12260

>>12258
The thing is that we actually can agree on what it is!
Just look at the mathematical definition, it's as simple as that.
The usefulness of it will be decided by how it will be put to use,
and it turned out to be a pretty good/universal concept for a lot of abstractions.

>I still don't know what a monad is, but this just lets me know that it's unnecessary.
So everything you don't know makes you think it's unnecessary?
That is a rather shortsighted statement,
I hope you don't actually mean it.

Anonymous 2015-11-22 15:11:12 No.12264

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>>12258
>Things I don't know are unnecessary.
Stop.

Anonymous 2015-11-22 15:57:11 No.12265

>>12157
Haskell will bring you more fun and enlightenment.

Anonymous 2015-11-23 02:16:54 No.12290

>>12256
>the next version of ocaml will bring non-GIL multi-threading

If Ocaml can do it, Python should be able too right?

Anonymous 2015-11-23 07:14:13 No.12294

>>12290

Wasn't that why stackless python existed?

Anonymous 2015-11-23 09:23:17 No.12299

>>12259
>design pattern
Gross.

>>12260
>>12264
Let me rephrase that: Things I don't know about functional programming are unnecessary.

Anonymous 2015-11-23 10:48:25 No.12301

>>12299
You are unnecessary.

Anonymous 2015-11-23 10:56:25 No.12303

>>12229
>it's lazy typed
Heh, I think you meant statically typed and lazily evaluated (by default).

>>12236
That's very inaccurate and misleading.

>>12256
Enjoy your impurity, kafir.